Playground for practical listening exercises

[ThomasOK]

Agreed. I am not a fan of music laid out on a slab! But I note that you don't appear to have completely removed the slab, just repositioned it. I'd try it with the slab in a closet or other room. You never know.

[Charlie1]

Yeah, that's miles better. First thing I notice is some nice bass playing accompanying the song which didn't strike me at all in thd first clip.

[Defender]

thank you all for giving feedback its really wonderful to have you as support It seems consistent that stoned support makes nothing better - slabs included

[Charlie1]

I agree, best left for the patio.

[Defender]

the only issue I now have is that I have the feeling that there is some forwardness or hissing somewhere and that is maybe what you Charlie heard when you said it somehow sounds synthetic (before I removed the slab).

[V.A.MKD]

Testing out Rack options - what is more musical?

Clip 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uwmuqz7x4eufi ... 9.mov?dl=0

Clip 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/99i5t484khnbx ... 4.mov?dl=0

I'm leaning towards the first clip, but will listen again later.

Cheers

+1 for Clip 1.

[V.A.MKD]

Clip 1 stays the same
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uwmuqz7x4eufi ... 9.mov?dl=0

Clip 3 is now without slab
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0c4bzrw92s3aw ... 2.mov?dl=0

Without slab for me ...

[Charlie1]

Fitted some spikes to the Lack legs as Defender suggested.

Defo better sound but is the music better too?

Normal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dlzq8n2s7qu9h ... 9.mp4?dl=0
Spiked: https://www.dropbox.com/s/upeykxlv41acs ... 1.mp4?dl=0

Let the deck settle for a few hours between recordings. This defo makes a difference and is quite a bit better than the recording to made immediately afterwards.

[Tony Tune-age]

Fitted some spikes to the Lack legs as Defender suggested.

Defo better sound but is the music better too?

Normal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dlzq8n2s7qu9h ... 9.mp4?dl=0
Spiked: https://www.dropbox.com/s/upeykxlv41acs ... 1.mp4?dl=0

Actually, they both sound good...although different. The spiked recording might have better detail, but the normal recording may be more musical. Tough call on which is actually better...

By the way, I really like that song!

[Charlie1]

[By the way, I really like that song!

Me too. I love some of the quirky phrasing in particular. I wonder how many hours it took to create. Some people think it's about the beatles but no one seems to know for sure. Crimson Dynamo being Ringo. The whole of side one of venus and mars works great together imo. That McCartney fella is quite talented 😀

[Defender]

leaning towards non spike protein

[beck]

leaning towards non spike protein

I agree.

[V.A.MKD]

Fitted some spikes to the Lack legs as Defender suggested.

Defo better sound but is the music better too?

Normal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dlzq8n2s7qu9h ... 9.mp4?dl=0
Spiked: https://www.dropbox.com/s/upeykxlv41acs ... 1.mp4?dl=0

Let the deck settle for a few hours between recordings. This defo makes a difference and is quite a bit better than the recording to made immediately afterwards.

For me normal, without spikes.

[Charlie1]

Thanks Gents!

I think you're all right. I was kinda hoping otherwise but the rhythm seems to go stiff.

I tried again this morning in case the deck settling was more significant but there was no major shift.

I have also tried Skeets, which seems better than just spikes, but will go back to normal I think.

Normal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dlzq8n2s7qu9h ... 9.mp4?dl=0
Skeets: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ygw0wkoaf1w57 ... 4.mp4?dl=0

[Spannko]

Fitted some spikes to the Lack legs as Defender suggested.

Defo better sound but is the music better too?

Normal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dlzq8n2s7qu9h ... 9.mp4?dl=0
Spiked: https://www.dropbox.com/s/upeykxlv41acs ... 1.mp4?dl=0

Let the deck settle for a few hours between recordings. This defo makes a difference and is quite a bit better than the recording to made immediately afterwards.

No spikes for me.

[Spannko]

Thanks Gents!

I think you're all right. I was kinda hoping otherwise but the rhythm seems to go stiff.

I tried again this morning in case the deck settling was more significant but there was no major shift.

I have also tried Skeets, which seems better than just spikes, but will go back to normal I think.

Normal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dlzq8n2s7qu9h ... 9.mp4?dl=0
Skeets: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ygw0wkoaf1w57 ... 4.mp4?dl=0

I found these much closer, and I’m surprised by how much the skeets have improved things. But I agree, overall, without spikes/skeets is slightly more musical.

The spikes/skeets idea is worth persevering with though, it’s definitely got its merits. Different spikes? Different skeet type things? Different materials? Ball bearings? The list is endless!

[springwood64]

Let the deck settle for a few hours between recordings. This defo makes a difference and is quite a bit better than the recording to made immediately afterwards.

When I introduced Skeets the settling seemed to take a week or so

[Charlie1]

Got some James Brown on and been enjoying it so I will give the skeets a week to settle. Thanks guys.

Anyone understand what the LP12 likes about the Lack without spikes? I assume the table is then freer to vibrate along with the rest of the deck, or something like that. Are the spikes adding some instability do you think?

[Charlie1]

The spikes/skeets idea is worth persevering with though, it’s definitely got its merits. Different spikes? Different skeet type things? Different materials? Ball bearings? The list is endless!

I'm just intrigued by the fact that the LP12 likes to be decoupled from the floor. Perhaps allowing the legs to be free but changing the surface would help. clearly something heavy is no use, but perhaps something hard and light.

[V.A.MKD]

Thanks Gents!

I think you're all right. I was kinda hoping otherwise but the rhythm seems to go stiff.

I tried again this morning in case the deck settling was more significant but there was no major shift.

I have also tried Skeets, which seems better than just spikes, but will go back to normal I think.

Normal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dlzq8n2s7qu9h ... 9.mp4?dl=0
Skeets: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ygw0wkoaf1w57 ... 4.mp4?dl=0

With Skeets is a lot better, but not enough ... For me "Normal".

[beck]

Stay “Normal” Charlie1! :-)

[Defender]

normal for me too

[Charlie1]

Thanks folks.

Well, that's the end of that attempt. Not easy to find improvements.

Impatience got the better of me so I ditched the spikes. I thought perhaps the LP12 with standard feet likes the Lack to be able to move as freely as possible so I tried a felt pad stuck to the bottom of each leg on top of china plates with slippy baking paper between, then layers of card below the plates to level the deck. Very beckian I thought but it sounded bloody awful.

Then tried just the felt pads on layers of card as normal which was very very close to normal but still not quite as good. That gap may disappear by tomorrow though but certainly not found any improvement.

Not easy is it. I suppose I could shorten the legs, see if that makes any difference, although they wouldn't have the chipboard infill at the base of each leg.

It's annoying cos I know my decks can sound more accurate/etched, which would be welcome with these old speakers. The Sound Org wall shelf is best at that but I never get anything very musical out of it.

Someone told me today that Ivor once guessed that the Townsend rack (complete with Bicycle pump) might work well with the LP12. Anyone ever try it back in the day?

[Charlie1]

I thought this was an improvement recording a new track but listening back I'm not so sure now :(

Normal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yuqkno6ffwpk7 ... 1.mp4?dl=0
Felt: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i2vhijry3amdb ... 0.mp4?dl=0

[beck]

I thought this was an improvement recording a new track but listening back I'm not so sure now :(

Normal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yuqkno6ffwpk7 ... 1.mp4?dl=0
Felt: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i2vhijry3amdb ... 0.mp4?dl=0

I just want you to stay Normal. I actually like you that way.......