LINN vs Lindemann shootout

optics · Post by **optics** » 2010-12-07 13:47

please correct me if i am wrong:

according to the tune method a piece of equipment is better, if its easier to follow the tune eG the rhythm or melodic line of certain instruments;
(eG bassline, HiHat ...)

this (potentially wrong) definition in mind, i spend some time in repositioning the speakers.

After that the comparism between the DAC and the ADS was done,
i have to say the efforts i need to follow the tune are the same.
I know you say there has to be a difference, but maybe this difference is too small for me.

Soundwise the DAC is a little thinner in the low end, but a little more precise. The staging and imaging is better. imho the seperation of the channels is better (left / right)

As i wrote i had to do the comparism of the amps just with singlewiring.

The 882 is better than my combo by a considerable margin;
besides the tune there is more control when the music is becoming more dynamic. Simply said this amp has larger balls. 8)

I will have the opportunity to keep the toys for a few days,
so please if something was wrong with the way the comparism
was done >>> help me out

cheers

johannes

optics · Post by **optics** » 2010-12-07 19:53

... hours later ...

finally the ADS is better but not too much,
and comparing the prices not enough.

Remember € 650,- vs € 5000,-

The 882 is better than the combination AK/D 5100D.

:shock: The ATC SCM 7 is better than the 212M2 (imho) :shock:

Consequently i will keep > ADS/D > 882 > ATC SCM7

cheers

optics

Post by **lejonklou** » 2010-12-07 20:43

optics wrote:according to the tune method a piece of equipment is better, if its easier to follow the tune eG the rhythm or melodic line of certain instruments;

I'm not really sure what you mean by "certain instruments". I'd rather focus on when it's easier to follow the whole; the musical message.

It seems that occasionally people confuse the Tune Method with some kind of clarity or precision in the sound. This has been evident for instance with firmware versions; one firmware can be more sharp and exact while another appears to be less exact, but is better when evaluated with the Tune Method.

What's the difference? The better firmware will not necessarily sound more clear or exact, but it will make more sense musically. It will let you hear more easily what the piece of music is communicating; the emotion, the interplay, the finesse. This really has very little to do with how it sounds (thinner/precise/staging/imaging/etc).

Sometimes a live demonstration is needed to really get the Tune Method.

optics · Post by **optics** » 2010-12-07 22:21

i meant:

surely in the beginning its about the "basic" tune, or maybe the cohesiveness, the tapping fx whatever

but after a while for me its fun to follow specific lines to understand the music; its fun to surf on the different parts; don´t get me wrong i do not talk about sound or effects or precision in the way you described in your last post

bye

johannes

hcl · Post by **hcl** » 2010-12-08 19:06

Either the Lindemann DAC is a bargain or your ADS is not performing as it should. I would take it to a dealer and compare it to another of the same kind. I guess there is still waranty on the unit!?

Good luck!

optics · Post by **optics** » 2010-12-14 10:58

Hi HCL,

the ADS is performing well, and the ADS is better but the gap is small.

The size of the gap corresponds not to really to the difference in pricing.

thx for help

johannes

hcl · Post by **hcl** » 2010-12-15 18:58

optics wrote:Hi HCL,

the ADS is performing well, and the ADS is better but the gap is small.

The size of the gap corresponds not to really to the difference in pricing.

thx for help

johannes

How do You know that the unit performs as it should? If so the Lindemann gear is an absoluta bargain. The reason I am so persistent about this is that I have a friend who used to have a Majik DS, a Kikkin, a 2250/D and Akurate 242. During the last year He and I have been around listening to allmost everything in our region and nothing but a three times more expensive Naim system has come even close to the Majik system. A well performing ADS clearly out-performs a MDS so... What conclusion do You make of that? To me it seems, for some reason, You do not want to solve your problem but to discredit the Linn gear. It seems a bit odd since You allready have bought it.

optics · Post by **optics** » 2010-12-15 19:24

i am really not interested in discrediting Linn gear !

Forgive me i am not a native english speaker,
but i don´t like the message behind your post.

As i wrote the ADS is a nice piece of equipment,
and i also liked the rest of the Linn gear. But imho the price difference
is not related to the performance difference.

I bought my ADS from a LINN Dealer, and i auditioned the ADS several times, and also different ADS.

Again its not in my interest to discredit Linn or any other brand,
my intention was to inform about my experience.

Excuse for this.

So finally have fun in hearing music !

johannes

anthony · Post by **anthony** » 2010-12-15 19:56

optics wrote:Hi HCL,

the ADS is performing well, and the ADS is better but the gap is small.

The size of the gap corresponds not to really to the difference in pricing.

thx for help

johannes

Hi Johannes,
I think this is true about a lot of things in life, to achieve a small improvement, requires an unproportional amount of extra money.
I am intrigued why, when you find the ADS slightly better, and already own it, would you change it?

optics · Post by **optics** » 2010-12-15 20:05

Hi Anthony,

changing the ADS to the DAC depends on the price i can get for the ADS.

Yes the ADS is slightly better, but i believe for the price difference i can improve the system more if i invest in other parts.

I also believe the s/h price for the ADS will go down even more so the amount i can get when i sell will become worse in future.

bye

johannes

hcl · Post by **hcl** » 2010-12-17 22:10

optics wrote:i am really not interested in discrediting Linn gear !

Forgive me i am not a native english speaker,
but i don´t like the message behind your post.

As i wrote the ADS is a nice piece of equipment,
and i also liked the rest of the Linn gear. But imho the price difference
is not related to the performance difference.

I bought my ADS from a LINN Dealer, and i auditioned the ADS several times, and also different ADS.

Again its not in my interest to discredit Linn or any other brand,
my intention was to inform about my experience.

Excuse for this.

I am sorry, but You seemed to be disapointed with your purchase and as I have somewhat contradictory experiences I just tried to help. However since You seemed so reluctant to concider alternative arguments it made me wonder. Anyway, I'm done trying. Hope You find what You are looking for!

Lefreak · Post by **Lefreak** » 2011-03-13 17:22

optics wrote:Hi Anthony,

changing the ADS to the DAC depends on the price i can get for the ADS.

Yes the ADS is slightly better, but i believe for the price difference i can improve the system more if i invest in other parts.

I also believe the s/h price for the ADS will go down even more so the amount i can get when i sell will become worse in future.

bye

johannes

Would be interesting to hear the Lindemann DAC with my MajikDS...

Tony Tune-age · Post by **Tony Tune-age** » 2011-03-21 17:59

I would like to compare some of the Lindemann components with some of the Linn components. It could be a very interesting learning experience overall :D .