Playground for practical listening exercises

[Charlie1]

Cool.
I'm not sure but suspect it's a UK one. I did buy Murmur and LRP on US vinyl as they are my Favs. Maybe I should have a look at Fables on that pressing version.

[Spannko]

After hearing your Classic Rock vids, the Sipsik is singing like a nightingale! I don’t know whether I got it wrong previously or the S8 has just jumped up a performance level, either way, we could be looking at another GOAT award. Keep on rocking in the free world, charlie1!

[lejonklou]

Very interesting comparison, Charlie!

Wakonda sure has an uptempo character that focuses on the essentials of the song. I like it and it sounds the way I remember it.

Although I’m in no way impartial, I do find Slipsik to make the songs touch me the most and was a bit annoyed when the clip ended on the second track.

This comparison makes me recall the first demo I heard of Linn Lingo vs Valhalla on an LP12 of early 90’s spec. The Linn representative played a song with a rather long intro and commented that Lingo played out each note until it ended, making the intro seem longer but also more interesting and engaging than with the Valhalla, which kind of pushed the music forward in a fun but less meaningful way.

I mention it because it was the first time I heard an apparently slower pace being described as a positive thing by a Linn representative. Up to that point, it had always been higher pace equals better timing.

[Offerdal]

Very interesting clips Charlie, Would be nice If you could Do another try with these setup in a while.

New one for me

A 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t0vd6my6czpob ... 1.mov?dl=0

A 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q3m48ykob75r7 ... 2.mov?dl=0

B 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z3lft9ryr9byf ... 1.mov?dl=0

B 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bpgcym8zrnltb ... 2.mov?dl=0

[beck]

I prefer B :-)

[Tendaberry]

With the B-tracks I wanted to continue listening, with A not so much.

[lejonklou]

B for me

[tpetsch]

B2 "sounds" better while A2 is more in tune.. A conundrum indeed between those two depending on what you're sensitive to.. I'll take the better half of both please..

[matthias]

B

[lejonklou]

B2 "sounds" better while A2 is more in tune.. A conundrum indeed between those two depending on what you're sensitive to.. I'll take the better half of both please..

I never care about how clips "sound", I always choose the one that makes more sense to me musically.

This one wasn't easy, I went back and forth several times. Settled for B in the end, but A had something in it as well.

[Charlie1]

B for me - I actually thought A sounded clearer.

[tpetsch]

B for me - I actually thought A sounded clearer.

MJ's voice sounded like he was singing into an empty paint can on "A", that's kinda why I thought B "sounded" better but also on the other hand slightly less in tune. Personally I'll always lean towards the more in tune clip.

B2 "sounds" better while A2 is more in tune.. A conundrum indeed between those two depending on what you're sensitive to.. I'll take the better half of both please..

I never care about how clips "sound", I always choose the one that makes more sense to me musically.

This one wasn't easy, I went back and forth several times. Settled for B in the end, but A had something in it as well.

Apologies, but Exactly! ...that particular A/B of the "2's" was walking the fine line and can come down to what the end user is sensitive to.

[Spannko]

I prefer B too.

[Offerdal]

Thanks for your opinions.
This time I moved the radikal between two shelf. In the room I prefer B, but A got something Thats lost in B.
A = Harmonihyllan with Tor top shelf
B = Harmonihyllan with mimer K top shelf

New one
A 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ew0fzw6mhv1z2 ... 1.mov?dl=0

A 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zjomnlcckms20 ... 2.mov?dl=0

B 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/146bsc6aksvo5 ... 1.mov?dl=0

B 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r2c1mbkg2yf8t ... 2.mov?dl=0

[Whatsmynaim]

B

[beck]

I prefer B………. I do worry a bit about the good sound and room on B :-) but I really like the way the music comes together.

[ThomasOK]

Very interesting clips Charlie, Would be nice If you could Do another try with these setup in a while.

New one for me

A 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t0vd6my6czpob ... 1.mov?dl=0

A 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q3m48ykob75r7 ... 2.mov?dl=0

B 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z3lft9ryr9byf ... 1.mov?dl=0

B 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bpgcym8zrnltb ... 2.mov?dl=0

We had a musical evening at the store yesterday so we were busy setting up and hosting Richard Vandersteen. I listened to the 1 clips and preferred B which i found more tuneful and enjoyable. I went back just now to listen to the 2 clips but they had been removed. It played about three notes of the beginning of each and I preferred B here too on this quite short comparison. But I couldn't go back and listen to anything again to reconfirm.

[markiteight]

I prefer B on both of your latest comparisons. Like Thomas I too would love to hear your first round.

[lejonklou]

Thanks for your opinions.
This time I moved the radikal between two shelf. In the room I prefer B, but A got something Thats lost in B.
A = Harmonihyllan with Tor top shelf
B = Harmonihyllan with mimer K top shelf

New one
A 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ew0fzw6mhv1z2 ... 1.mov?dl=0

A 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zjomnlcckms20 ... 2.mov?dl=0

B 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/146bsc6aksvo5 ... 1.mov?dl=0

B 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r2c1mbkg2yf8t ... 2.mov?dl=0

So you moved the Radikal between two Harmonihyllan top shelves, but the LP12 stands on something else?

This one was easy for me: B!

[tpetsch]

Just listen to the interplay between the drummer and the guitarist -when the singing starts- on A1 and notice they are playing together, hitting the notes together musically like clockwork, on B1 not so much and it seems to get worse as the song progresses, so A1 for me. But does B1 "sound" fuller, more Hi-Fi, yes it does and I can see why people may like it, but it's less in tune.

[lejonklou]

You are the constant contrarian, tpetsch! :D

[tpetsch]

You are the constant contrarian, tpetsch! :D

Not always, plenty of times I have agreed with the consensus.
But going back to A1/B1 did you happen to pick up on any of that I said?

[Offerdal]

Thanks for all feedback!
I deleted the film with the radikal on Tor but Maybe I can Do another film.

In the clips Where I Did the Tor vs Mimer K I used the same Harmonihyllan but changed the top shelf. I have one Harmonihyllan with spruce (the one I use for comparisons, K-referens bottom shelf and 2 Oden shelf with equipment on) and one birch.
So the deleted clips was Tor vs Mimer K with radikal as equipment. Pretty big different as Mr Lejonklou has told us long time ago.

The LP12 sits on Mana referens table.

[Charlie1]

Just listen to the interplay between the drummer and the guitarist -when the singing starts- on A1 and notice they are playing together, hitting the notes together musically like clockwork, on B1 not so much and it seems to get worse as the song progresses, so A1 for me.

I notice the same especially at the beginning of Bob's song (When I hear things like this, I put it into the 'timing' category but maybe it's more complicated than that and I don't have the scientific understanding to be more accurate.) However, once Bob starts singing, I prefer B cos it seems more tuneful and enjoyable - his singing on A seems a bit drab like he's got a slight hangover.

For me, timing and tune are both elements of the tune method and my suspicion is that they are the cause of most differences of opinion here. Don't won't to bore people with it but I really think this depends on whether you use more of the left- or right-hand side of your brain when listening to music. And I do appreciate that for many here, the option that sounds more in tune is also the option with the best timing - however, I don't always experience it that way.

I'm glad you hold faith with what your ears tell you tpetsch cos I think we all have something to learn from these differences of opinion so long as we're all focussed on the music, not the sound, which I'm pretty sure everyone is trying to do.

[Spannko]

Through the iPad speakers I prefer the A clips. To me, they’re more upbeat and tuneful. They’re the ones which would get me jiggling in my chair, and for me that’s what a lot of this hifi malarkey is all about! However, through headphones I slightly prefer the B clips. It’s a funny old game!

The impression I’m getting is that the A clips are generally good but maybe the bass is a bit off? The iPad filters out the bass, leaving just the good bits? The headphones reproduce the bass, dragging A back a bit? All conjecture!