Lego wrote:I very rarely listen to my all time favourite albums ,Astral Weeks ,Hejira ,Kind of Blue etc , because I get it perhaps ?
Astral Weeks is one of mine too and, like you, I rarely play it.
Lego wrote:Imagine watching a a really good entertaining film,which makes you laugh cry etc. a real rollercoaster.You follow it intently and understand every part of the movie .Would you want to watch it the next night,even though you thoroughly enjoyed it, probably not as you understood it fully and you're certainly not going to laugh and cry at the same scenes.
The more emotive the film, the less likely I'll watch it again. I do not want to see Schindler's List again but will no doubt watch several Bond movies many more times, on top of the times I've already watched them.
You need to explain more, I don't understand.
Favorites - movies and music, great ones you experiences just one or a few times?
Is it same with fantastic cars, books, food etc?
Is it the first "majic WOW moment" you think will not apppear again = the memory of the first experience is the true value?
Lego wrote:I never usually zone into lyrics in a song but one artist in which I do is Frank Zappa I enjoy and focus on his lyrics and story telling so much the music becomes incidental that I very quickly stopped collecting his albums as they never sounded as good second time around,and this is one of the great guitarists!!
A bit like comedy .
Terrible but I don't own a single Zappa album. I always meant to get into him but something always put me off. But I feel the same about 'Bob Dylan's 115th Dream'. It's funny first time around but I know the story now and really don't want to hear it again. There's too much story and not enough interest in the music for me. Although I love his lyrics, I usually find the music is good enough to warrant repeated listening - must have heard Highway 61 a 100 times.
Lego wrote:I very rarely listen to my all time favourite albums ,Astral Weeks ,Hejira ,Kind of Blue etc , because I get it perhaps ?
Astral Weeks is one of mine too and, like you, I rarely play it. I think Fredrik said the same to me once. Yet, I've repeatedly played all his other albums (that I like).
Lego wrote:Imagine watching a a really good entertaining film,which makes you laugh cry etc. a real rollercoaster.You follow it intently and understand every part of the movie .Would you want to watch it the next night,even though you thoroughly enjoyed it, probably not as you understood it fully and you're certainly not going to laugh and cry at the same scenes.
The more emotive the film, the less likely I'll watch it again. I do not want to see Schindler's List again but will no doubt watch several Bond movies many more times, on top of the times I've already watched them.
Lego wrote:Pre-school kids can watch a show on TV then watch it immediately afterwards and again and again, the way adults listen to Albums ,why is that ?..Maybe they don't fully understand it and are searching for that complete pattern .
My two are currently into some witches series on CBBC. They will quite happily re-watch the same episode the same or next day. Prefer Mr Tumble myself.
Mr Tumble's great! My favourite is Ben and Holly's Little Kingdom - Nanny Plumb's a hoot! I wouldn't say I understand them though.
As for understanding music, if I can't understand how a washing machine works, I've got no chance with Beethoven's 5th!
I think I'll stick with plain old Rhythms and Tunes. Now that's something I do understand!
I think I see a pattern here. Easy to digest: we hear it over and over again. Harder to digest demanding more of us when listening: we hear it seldomly.
Music Lover wrote:You need to explain more, I don't understand.
Favorites - movies and music, great ones you experiences just one or a few times?
Is it same with fantastic cars, books, food etc?
Is it the first "majic WOW moment" you think will not apppear again = the memory of the first experience is the true value?
I don't really know either ML. Maybe it's the type of music. I listened to Astral Weeks quite a lot to get into it and there was that period where I just wanted to keep playing it because I was enjoying it so much. But now I don't really listen anymore, even after an upgrade when I'm playing a lot of old stuff that has a new lease of life. It is not the norm. I was struck by the fact Leo feels the same way about it.
I think I would add 'Spirit of Eden' to this as well. Again, not exactly pop music.
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beck wrote:I think I see a pattern here. Easy to digest: we hear it over and over again. Harder to digest demanding more of us when listening: we hear it seldomly.
I think there is some truth in that Beck, especially on the movie side.
Spannko wrote:Mr Tumble's great! My favourite is Ben and Holly's Little Kingdom - Nanny Plumb's a hoot! I wouldn't say I understand them though.
beck wrote:I think I see a pattern here. Easy to digest: we hear it over and over again. Harder to digest demanding more of us when listening: we hear it seldomly.
I think there is some truth in that Beck, especially on the movie side.
Spannko wrote:Mr Tumble's great! My favourite is Ben and Holly's Little Kingdom - Nanny Plumb's a hoot! I wouldn't say I understand them though.
haha :)
I think that's why the tellytubbies did so well they cottoned on to this by repeating a scene a couple of times
beck wrote:I think I see a pattern here. Easy to digest: we hear it over and over again. Harder to digest demanding more of us when listening: we hear it seldomly.
That's very insightful beck, and describes the music I like, and can listen to over and over, really well.
The music can't be too simple though. Even I draw the line at hearing "The Wheels on the Bus go Round and Round" for the tenth time!
Lego wrote:I very rarely listen to my all time favourite albums ,Astral Weeks ,Hejira ,Kind of Blue etc , because I get it perhaps ?
Astral Weeks is one of mine too and, like you, I rarely play it.
Lego wrote:Imagine watching a a really good entertaining film,which makes you laugh cry etc. a real rollercoaster.You follow it intently and understand every part of the movie .Would you want to watch it the next night,even though you thoroughly enjoyed it, probably not as you understood it fully and you're certainly not going to laugh and cry at the same scenes.
The more emotive the film, the less likely I'll watch it again. I do not want to see Schindler's List again but will no doubt watch several Bond movies many more times, on top of the times I've already watched them.
You need to explain more, I don't understand.
Favorites - movies and music, great ones you experiences just one or a few times?
Is it same with fantastic cars, books, food etc?
Is it the first "majic WOW moment" you think will not apppear again = the memory of the first experience is the true value?
If you fully understand something ML why would you want to hear it again.If however its the type of music that gives you a dopamine hit for me that would be well recorded music of stuff like sly and robbie,Tackhead jazz funk etc then I would probably have a tendency to go back for more and more.
There were a couple of albums i bought in the 80,s that even though I upgraded they didnt seem to improve in sound or musicality.I think it was Kid Creole and the coconuts and ABC lexicon of love!?.It was as if there were was no more information on the record to retrieve
Lego wrote:There were a couple of albums i bought in the 80,s that even though I upgraded they didnt seem to improve in sound or musicality.I think it was Kid Creole and the coconuts and ABC lexicon of love!?.It was as if there were was no more information on the record to retrieve
I too recall a small number of tracks where I could hear very little benefit following an upgrade. Can't remember what the songs were though. It was rare. Probably simple pop tunes.
I recall a dealer dem where I played Sledgehammer and the dealer said 'that track is too simple, you need to hear it with something more complex.' I rather took offence to that, especially as I was half way through listening. I think Manu Katche's drumming on that track is very special, something about the timing or the swing in it. Skiffle isn't it? Going off topic now, but on the Classic Albums programme Gabriel said after the first take, "That was great, but could we do another take?" Katché said "Why? It was perfect!". He didn't do another. Gotta admire his confidence.
Lego wrote:There were a couple of albums i bought in the 80,s that even though I upgraded they didnt seem to improve in sound or musicality.I think it was Kid Creole and the coconuts and ABC lexicon of love!?.It was as if there were was no more information on the record to retrieve
I too recall a small number of tracks where I could hear very little benefit following an upgrade. Can't remember what the songs were though. It was rare. Probably simple pop tunes.
I recall a dealer dem where I played Sledgehammer and the dealer said 'that track is too simple, you need to hear it with something more complex.' I rather took offence to that, especially as I was half way through listening. I think Manu Katche's drumming on that track is very special, something about the timing or the swing in it. Skiffle isn't it? Going off topic now, but on the Classic Albums programme Gabriel said after the first take, "That was great, but could we do another take?" Katché said "Why? It was perfect!". He didn't do another. Gotta admire his confidence.
Great story Charlie .I was actually going to give an example of that track as I heard it at the Linn factory played on their Whisky turntable etc ,it did sound impressive you could tell how many backing singers and horns there were etc,but did i enjoy it more than i enjoy it at home despite the extra information.Cant say i did,I was just getting more reality in that I was in the studio listening to the master tape.Must admit I never noticed the drumming it was mainly his emotional voice and horns that stood out for me
