Playground for practical listening exercices

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by jewa » 2019-02-13 11:04

Are you sure about the positioning of the kans? I don't know anything about your room but, remembering having mine more together. I also found spikes mandatory, with or without skeets.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2019-02-13 11:05

Thanks. Interesting to read all your impressions.

I don't think this will change folks opinions but here's a very different comparison in the Sneaky/Katan system in the kitchen/lounge, streaming from Google Play.

Katan #1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/sotu6qj8wzvwb ... D.MOV?dl=0
Larc #1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/efc8at540l2xe ... D.MOV?dl=0

Katan #2 https://www.dropbox.com/s/9akl0s71eyjw1 ... D.MOV?dl=0
Larc #2 https://www.dropbox.com/s/772knvoe0f5ns ... D.MOV?dl=0

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2019-02-13 11:06

jewa wrote:
2019-02-13 11:04
Are you sure about the positioning of the kans? I don't know anything about your room but, remembering having mine more together. I also found spikes mandatory, with or without skeets.

Great album BTW!
Another member suggested the same thing this morning so I will check that out - Thanks jewa!

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Spannko » 2019-02-13 13:11

Another great comparison Charlie1!

My preference is for the Katans on this occasion. For £200-£300 they’ve got to be the HiFi bargain of the century! Slightly more musical than the Larcs but with a much better sound. Great stuff!

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2019-02-13 14:14

I thought I had the best new position (using clips) and then later compared the clips and thought perhaps not, so there are two options now.

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~155 cm apart (old setting): https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh6xlaaq3qzmz ... D.MOV?dl=0
146cm apart: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r2sbk8yx6hvvo ... D.MOV?dl=0
140cm apart: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kgj110w5kclat ... D.MOV?dl=0

Couple of Spannko's favourite artists :D...

146cm apart: https://www.dropbox.com/s/m1p2qrpduzy2w ... D.MOV?dl=0
140cm apart: https://www.dropbox.com/s/d3650w18fojit ... D.MOV?dl=0

146cm apart: https://www.dropbox.com/s/49ccxjtugavae ... D.MOV?dl=0
140cm apart: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jgmx1akh97ycs ... D.MOV?dl=0

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Tendaberry » 2019-02-13 14:37

Charlie1 wrote:
2019-02-13 11:05
Thanks. Interesting to read all your impressions.

I don't think this will change folks opinions but here's a very different comparison in the Sneaky/Katan system in the kitchen/lounge, streaming from Google Play.

Katan #1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/sotu6qj8wzvwb ... D.MOV?dl=0
Larc #1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/efc8at540l2xe ... D.MOV?dl=0

Katan #2 https://www.dropbox.com/s/9akl0s71eyjw1 ... D.MOV?dl=0
Larc #2 https://www.dropbox.com/s/772knvoe0f5ns ... D.MOV?dl=0
Those Larcs sure can't boogie and they sound very artificial to me.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by jewa » 2019-02-13 14:58

I think 146 cm apart is the best.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2019-02-13 15:07

They are both much better than before, that's for sure, and remind me of the old days when Kans made such an impression on me. Thanks Jewa!

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by tokenbrit » 2019-02-13 16:33

Agree with jewa: 146 seems more musically together than 140

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2019-02-13 17:23

This is much better. More involving and refined. I'm back to 146cm btw. Agree this is preferable to 140cm. Thanks guys! I would be crap as a dealer!

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2019-02-13 20:22

I love going round in circles and ending up where I began. Gives one an enormous sense of futile wasted time and effort.

1989: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ksiat2fyhzwrs ... 2.mp4?dl=0
2019: https://www.dropbox.com/s/culo8clyw04s5 ... D.MOV?dl=0

I think the analogue VHS camera wins out in terms of musicality though - at least I hope that's the reason!

I don’t want to dwell on where all the time went.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2019-02-13 20:46

:-)
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by tokenbrit » 2019-02-13 21:23

Not much Lack-ing from '89 ;)

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by ThomasOK » 2019-02-13 21:39

Charlie1 wrote:
2019-02-13 11:05
Thanks. Interesting to read all your impressions.

I don't think this will change folks opinions but here's a very different comparison in the Sneaky/Katan system in the kitchen/lounge, streaming from Google Play.

Katan #1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/sotu6qj8wzvwb ... D.MOV?dl=0
Larc #1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/efc8at540l2xe ... D.MOV?dl=0

Katan #2 https://www.dropbox.com/s/9akl0s71eyjw1 ... D.MOV?dl=0
Larc #2 https://www.dropbox.com/s/772knvoe0f5ns ... D.MOV?dl=0
The Larcs are definitely sounding better than they were before. I think being up off the floor on something solid and closer to the rear wall helps them a lot. Still, I find Katans easily better and haven't completely warmed up to the Larcs.

Considering the visuals I thought we might get some Iron Maiden to listen to.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by tokenbrit » 2019-02-13 22:54

Or Steam, by Peter Gabriel? :)

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2019-02-13 23:04

:)
I don't get the Iron Maiden one...
Never liked or listened to them so maybe that doesn't help.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by tokenbrit » 2019-02-14 04:26

Pretty sure it was a reference to the steam *iron* to the left in the Katan v Larcs video clip

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2019-02-14 08:25

Thank you for sharing your clips with us Charlie1. It is worth GOLD to those who listen and see how much effort it takes to get the best out of ones system.

May it inspire others to take up the challange! :-)
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2019-02-14 10:35

tokenbrit wrote:
2019-02-14 04:26
Pretty sure it was a reference to the steam *iron* to the left in the Katan v Larcs video clip
Dunno why that one didn't register, especially as I got the steam reference. Sorry, never helps when you've got to explain a jokes.
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Thank you for sharing your clips with us Charlie1. It is worth GOLD to those who listen and see how much effort it takes to get the best out of ones system.

May it inspire others to take up the challange! :-)
Hope they've been of use to some folks.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by ThomasOK » 2019-02-14 17:11

!46 is better than 140 and probably overall better than 155 but 155 does some things better than 146. I think you need to be somewhere between those two. Based on intuition I would say try 148 and 149 and see what happens, you might just find the magic.

By the way 1989 sounds quite good. But don't feel alone in going in circles. I owned Quad ESL in 1980! Fortunately I do not have video evidence of the fact, nor of the Isobarik DMS system I had in 1989. I do have the excuse that the Quads I owned back then had been damaged, and I was running them with American electronics of the day, so I never really heard what they could do.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by ThomasOK » 2019-02-14 17:26

Charlie1 wrote:
2019-02-14 10:35
tokenbrit wrote:
2019-02-14 04:26
Pretty sure it was a reference to the steam *iron* to the left in the Katan v Larcs video clip
Dunno why that one didn't register, especially as I got the steam reference. Sorry, never helps when you've got to explain a jokes.
Well, it wasn't necessarily one of my best, but I had to think fast to get it in before tokenbrit! Maybe it is not called an iron over there?
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2019-02-14 17:45

No, it is. I just didn't see it staring me in the face.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2019-02-14 17:46

ThomasOK wrote:
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!46 is better than 140 and probably overall better than 155 but 155 does some things better than 146. I think you need to be somewhere between those two. Based on intuition I would say try 148 and 149 and see what happens, you might just find the magic.

By the way 1989 sounds quite good. But don't feel alone in going in circles. I owned Quad ESL in 1980! Fortunately I do not have video evidence of the fact, nor of the Isobarik DMS system I had in 1989. I do have the excuse that the Quads I owned back then had been damaged, and I was running them with American electronics of the day, so I never really heard what they could do.
Thanks Tom, for both comments. I will have a play sometime. Not so quick and easy without Skeets.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by ThomasOK » 2019-02-14 18:08

Charlie1 wrote:
2019-02-14 17:45
No, it is. I just didn't see it staring me in the face.
That's all right, I thought maybe you were trying to flatten the frequency response!
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Thanks Tom, for both comments. I will have a play sometime. Not so quick and easy without Skeets.
Yes, skeets do make it somewhat easier, especially on hardwood floors like mine. On carpet I generally tilt the speaker on the back spike on the side of the direction I want to move and pivot the front in that direction, then tilt it on that front spike and bring the back one in line. This can be difficult with speakers like Kans that are pretty close to the back wall, but some variation should work. Then again, at least they aren't too heavy to just pick them up and move them.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2019-02-15 01:06

ThomasOK wrote:
2019-02-14 18:08
That's all right, I thought maybe you were trying to flatten the frequency response!
Ha, that's more like it :D

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