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ThomasOK · Post by **ThomasOK** » 2020-02-01 00:14

I don't have either. I don't listen to headphones very much at all preferring the sound from speakers. I think I have a pair of SR60s around the house somewhere but haven't listened to them in a couple of years. I work at a store where we have almost all the Grados on demo and did a big listening session when they were the i series a few years back. As I recall at that time I really liked the SR125i and the PS500. Something I need to revisit with the newer models at some point.

If you are referring to listening to these clips, I normally just use the speakers built into the iMac on my desk, which is a several year old model.

V.A.MKD · Post by **V.A.MKD** » 2020-02-01 07:22

Thank you Thomas, for your prompt and in detail answer.

beck · Post by **beck** » 2020-02-04 08:44

Three different takes. The cd version has a lowered recording level intro with claves. Then recording level rise with the drums entering. Volume is not leveled between the clips but I find comparing interesting all the same.

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Charlie1 · Post by **Charlie1** » 2020-02-04 09:08

They get progressively better for me, with the Klyde being most enjoyable.

I could live with either, especially if I'd not heard the next one.

V.A.MKD · Post by **V.A.MKD** » 2020-02-04 09:46

No. 1 ... Klyde;
No. 2 & 3 ... CD and AT, slightly toward CD.

If there was not Klyde, than both are close, but in different way of presentation ...

beck · Post by **beck** » 2020-02-04 10:03

I can follow the thoughts from both of you and no doubt that the Klyde produce the result I want.

The AT33PTG/II is a great tracker but not going to stay in my setup for a second term. I will have to look elsewhere.

V.A.MKD · Post by **V.A.MKD** » 2020-02-04 10:40

Maybe Adikt, as a option ... will fit to L & L product lines ...

beck wrote: ↑2020-02-04 10:03 I can follow the thoughts from both of you and no doubt that the Klyde produce the result I want.

The AT33PTG/II is a great tracker but not going to stay in my setup for a second term. I will have to look elsewhere.

beck · Post by **beck** » 2020-02-04 10:58

V.A.MKD wrote: ↑2020-02-04 10:40 Maybe Adikt, as a option ... will fit to L & L product lines ...
beck wrote: ↑ I can follow the thoughts from both of you and no doubt that the Klyde produce the result I want.

The AT33PTG/II is a great tracker but not going to stay in my setup for a second term. I will have to look elsewhere.

Yes, I have thought about going the mm rute. Time will tell........

V.A.MKD · Post by **V.A.MKD** » 2020-02-04 11:32

What is your Pre-amp, amp ???

beck wrote: ↑2020-02-04 10:58
V.A.MKD wrote: ↑2020-02-04 10:40 Maybe Adikt, as a option ... will fit to L & L product lines ...
beck wrote: ↑ I can follow the thoughts from both of you and no doubt that the Klyde produce the result I want.

The AT33PTG/II is a great tracker but not going to stay in my setup for a second term. I will have to look elsewhere.

Yes, I have thought about going the mm rute. Time will tell........

beck · Post by **beck** » 2020-02-04 12:41

Linto phono/lk100

V.A.MKD · Post by **V.A.MKD** » 2020-02-04 12:58

With TT & Klyde sound is fantastic ... music ...

beck wrote: ↑2020-02-04 12:41Linto phono/lk100

Spannko · Post by **Spannko** » 2020-02-04 17:34

The easiest decision is to discard the AT cartridge. How can a manufacturer of equipment designed to reproduce music get it so wrong? Both rhythm and tune are all over the place!

OTOH, you’ve done a great job on your CD player! Not quite as good as your Klyde, but great for an old CD player which can be picked up for peanuts!

So, the Klyde was the best for me too, even with it being knackered out (the bass struggles a bit, tune-wise).

beck · Post by **beck** » 2020-02-04 19:18

Thank you for the comments. As we all know the Klyde is no more so my cart road from here is still unknown to me.

In the meantime cd has become so enjoyable that my collection most certainly will grow. :-)

ThomasOK · Post by **ThomasOK** » 2020-02-04 21:24

Ahhh! There we go, the lovely Klyde. Not too thrilled with the AT but did enjoy listening to the CD player all the way through. Who'd have thought it from such a modest CD machine. Of course, the Klyde is streets better. You might check into Goldring rebuilding it since they made it in the first place. Then again maybe you can manage to crystallize something even better.

Lego · Post by **Lego** » 2020-02-04 21:28

Klyde for me, it was one of my favourite cartridges along with the basik

beck · Post by **beck** » 2020-02-05 10:43

Thank you all. It is amazing what knowledge can be gained by filming ones hifi in action! :-)

V.A.MKD · Post by **V.A.MKD** » 2020-02-05 12:05

That is why I'm "beck" :) ... here and at home and at music ... :)

beck wrote: ↑2020-02-05 10:43 Thank you all. It is amazing what knowledge can be gained by filming ones hifi in action! :-)

u252agz · Post by **u252agz** » 2020-02-05 14:24

It is the Klyde which is the stand out one here - the CD only being remarkable for the fact that an older machine can produce something that is quite listenable.

I struggle to understand why the AT33 sounds so discordant - when the Klyde sounds so good - I did not think cartridges could make such fundamental differences to the musicality.

beck · Post by **beck** » 2020-02-05 14:48

u252agz wrote: ↑2020-02-05 14:24 It is the Klyde which is the stand out one here - the CD only being remarkable for the fact that an older machine can produce something that is quite listenable.

I struggle to understand why the AT33 sounds so discordant - when the Klyde sounds so good - I did not think cartridges could make such fundamental differences to the musicality.

I blame the microline cut of the needle. All clips on this forum has pointed towards conical, eliptical and supereliptical (Klyde, vital cut, set up by me) as the musical ones. They are musical even if the setup is not perfect.
Then again it could just be my setup skills that has failed (but I did try for a long time).

V.A.MKD · Post by **V.A.MKD** » 2020-02-05 18:48

- Try again with all parameters of the set - up of AT ...
- Break - In time ...
- Live performance can be different ...
As option why "AT33 sounds so discordant" ...

beck wrote: ↑2020-02-05 14:48
u252agz wrote: ↑2020-02-05 14:24 It is the Klyde which is the stand out one here - the CD only being remarkable for the fact that an older machine can produce something that is quite listenable.

I struggle to understand why the AT33 sounds so discordant - when the Klyde sounds so good - I did not think cartridges could make such fundamental differences to the musicality.
I blame the microline cut of the needle. All clips on this forum has pointed towards conical, eliptical and supereliptical (Klyde, vital cut, set up by me) as the musical ones. They are musical even if the setup is not perfect.
Then again it could just be my setup skills that has failed (but I did try for a long time).

Defender · Post by **Defender** » 2020-02-05 19:44

is this AT 33 also having a rubber type interface to the arm? maybe it has to do with torque

beck · Post by **beck** » 2020-02-05 20:22

Defender wrote: ↑2020-02-05 19:44 is this AT 33 also having a rubber type interface to the arm? maybe it has to do with torque

Yes and torque can play a role also..............

ThomasOK · Post by **ThomasOK** » 2020-02-05 23:56

Here are a couple of clips from a change in my system:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zrv8nrocq9tit ... m.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o19oyd3riugnv ... m.mov?dl=0

Spannko · Post by **Spannko** » 2020-02-06 01:18

The second one sounds pretty special. Would you mind recording a few hundred vids for me? They’d make excellent bed time listening!

Ron The Mon · Post by **Ron The Mon** » 2020-02-06 05:27

ThomasOK wrote: ↑2020-02-05 23:56 Here are a couple of clips from a change in my system:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zrv8nrocq9tit ... m.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o19oyd3riugnv ... m.mov?dl=0

Tom,
How long did it take you to make that change?

Do you think it is as big an improvement as I told you it would be? It sounds much more dynamic just over my iPhone speaker.

Ron The Mon

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