New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
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Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
Thanks for the update, ThomasOK! Interesting stuff.
Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
Thanks for all the info in this thread Thomas! I wonder if they could have made the AC Lingo 4 better than the Radikal, but had to stop developing it before it became better than the highly marketed "DC is the future" solution in the Radikal? Anyway, I'm happy if it's a big improvement from the Lingo 3. I'm sure it has the potential to be just that. In theory, it should be possible to get SW upgrades to!ThomasOK wrote:this sounds likely to be a very good product. Sort of a baby Radikal.
But why the ugly PSU box? I realize it is probably cheaper, but low volume, additional packaging etc probably makes it less cheap than you think at first. I'm pretty sure the LP12 will sound better with that PSU box on a proper shelf. And then what happens? The wife, friends, houseguests etc will see it and question your sanity even more! It is also good to see that not all new products from Linn has astronomical prices.
Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
In fact, in my living room, the Akurate Radikal is camouflaged with the other Akurate electronics.Linnofil wrote:
But why the ugly PSU box? I realize it is probably cheaper, but low volume, additional packaging etc probably makes it less cheap than you think at first. I'm pretty sure the LP12 will sound better with that PSU box on a proper shelf. And then what happens? The wife, friends, houseguests etc will see it and question your sanity even more! It is also good to see that not all new products from Linn has astronomical prices.
M.
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Speaking of camouflage; Urika -> Urika II is the perfect stealth upgrade. :D
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Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
Is it limited to MC cartridges only? Seems a bit odd if it is as the initial analog gain stage could be modified to suit MM or bypassed entirely. Perhaps this would compromise ultimate performance.ThomasOK wrote:A few addendums on the Urika II.
•The initial gain stage is analog to bring it up to the level to drive the ADC properly.
•You do not need an Exakt system to use the Urika II but you do need a DS or DSM with Exaktlink. If you have one of those you can connect the Urika II to it and then either use the DVC or a separate preamp to feed your amps or speakers.
I wonder if the ADC is the same as in the Klimax DSM or a newer chip.
Interesting that DS owners now have an Exakt input. I wonder at what point the Exakt signal is decoded and enters the existing processing chain.
Could we now have an external box that Exaktifies other analogue signals? If you only needed a single extra input it would be cheaper than a DSM
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Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
Moving magnet compromised the performance, mc only.
That ADC is of highest quality possible, and similar to that in klimax, with the benefit of one adc per channel.
The ds or dam acts as preamp and can be taken from ds as analogue or exakt
That ADC is of highest quality possible, and similar to that in klimax, with the benefit of one adc per channel.
The ds or dam acts as preamp and can be taken from ds as analogue or exakt
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Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
+1Linnofil wrote:I wonder if they could have made the AC Lingo 4 better than the Radikal, but had to stop developing it before it became better than the highly marketed "DC is the future" solution in the Radikal?
I do not believe that the DC motor per se is better than the AC motor. It is all about implementation.
Matt
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Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
Yes, MC only as the different loadings and gain necessary for MM cartridges would make it more complex and compromise musical quality.macrotech2 wrote:Is it limited to MC cartridges only? Seems a bit odd if it is as the initial analog gain stage could be modified to suit MM or bypassed entirely. Perhaps this would compromise ultimate performance.ThomasOK wrote:A few addendums on the Urika II.
•The initial gain stage is analog to bring it up to the level to drive the ADC properly.
•You do not need an Exakt system to use the Urika II but you do need a DS or DSM with Exaktlink. If you have one of those you can connect the Urika II to it and then either use the DVC or a separate preamp to feed your amps or speakers.
I wonder if the ADC is the same as in the Klimax DSM or a newer chip.
Interesting that DS owners now have an Exakt input. I wonder at what point the Exakt signal is decoded and enters the existing processing chain.
Could we now have an external box that Exaktifies other analogue signals? If you only needed a single extra input it would be cheaper than a DSM
My idle ramblings for today!
The ADC chip is the same as used in the Klimax DS/DSM. However, the Urika II uses one chip per channel instead of one chip for both which is claimed to improve perfromance.
The Exakt spec is that the signal is 24/192. So the Urika II would digitize the input and downsample to 24/192. I don't know where precisely the RIAA EQ is done. But it appears that the reference clock signal comes from the DS/DSM to the Urika II.
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Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
I'm doubtful they could have made it better than Radikal, but who knows. Plus you still have the problem of the fluctuating magnetic field which would not allow for the Urika. Keith heard a demo of the Lingo 3 vs. the 4 in Scotland and said the difference was substantial. Although it is software controlled it is probably a non-trivial task to update it as there is no network or USB connection on the board. I'd hate to think that we could end up having to use old Windows machines and Wee Doufers to apply updates to it!Linnofil wrote:Thanks for all the info in this thread Thomas! I wonder if they could have made the AC Lingo 4 better than the Radikal, but had to stop developing it before it became better than the highly marketed "DC is the future" solution in the Radikal? Anyway, I'm happy if it's a big improvement from the Lingo 3. I'm sure it has the potential to be just that. In theory, it should be possible to get SW upgrades to!ThomasOK wrote:this sounds likely to be a very good product. Sort of a baby Radikal.
But why the ugly PSU box? I realize it is probably cheaper, but low volume, additional packaging etc probably makes it less cheap than you think at first. I'm pretty sure the LP12 will sound better with that PSU box on a proper shelf. And then what happens? The wife, friends, houseguests etc will see it and question your sanity even more! It is also good to see that not all new products from Linn has astronomical prices.
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Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
Excited by Lingo 4 and its price point!!
Don't think I could ever afford or justify the price of Radikal
Don't think I could ever afford or justify the price of Radikal
LP12, Lingo 3, Cirkus/Kore, Tramp 2, Basik Plus Ania, Linto
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Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
Interesting that the Radikal will only supply power to the Urika2 when the turntable is rotating.
I would prefer to have the phono preamp permanently switched on.
Matt
I would prefer to have the phono preamp permanently switched on.
Matt
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Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
Interesting thought. This is also the case with the original Urika.matthias wrote:Interesting that the Radikal will only supply power to the Urika2 when the turntable is rotating.
I would prefer to have the phono preamp permanently switched on.
Matt
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Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
The transition from Urika1 to Urika2 is a first rate marketing trick from Linn to bind customers in the Linn system.
Where the Urika1 could stand on its own feet, the Urika2 now needs a Klimax Exakt DSM, Klimax DS or Klimax DSM to work properly. This is not a good situation for a customer who wants only the best vinyl playback system from Linn and nothing more.
A nice solution will be the upcoming Lejonklou MC phono preamp. IMO, this will be with a Lingo4 or Radikal LP12 a terrific pure analog vinyl playback system.
Matt
Where the Urika1 could stand on its own feet, the Urika2 now needs a Klimax Exakt DSM, Klimax DS or Klimax DSM to work properly. This is not a good situation for a customer who wants only the best vinyl playback system from Linn and nothing more.
A nice solution will be the upcoming Lejonklou MC phono preamp. IMO, this will be with a Lingo4 or Radikal LP12 a terrific pure analog vinyl playback system.
Matt
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Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
Why is this a marketing trick? Linn is going Exakt and with digital RIAA they can improve the performance at the same cost. (Everyone might not agree it's better, but that's another story...)matthias wrote:The transition from Urika1 to Urika2 is a first rate marketing trick from Linn to bind customers in the Linn system.
I like that Linn is still investing in vinyl, and not only the highest-end.
Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
With Urika1 you can go directly to a preamp without Linn DS.TMV wrote:.......at the same cost.
With Urika2 you need a Linn DS.
Matt
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Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
I went from Lingo 3 to (Akurate) Radikal. Radikal is better but, IMHO, does not worth the extra 2,100 €.Discodave wrote:Excited by Lingo 4 and its price point!!
Don't think I could ever afford or justify the price of Radikal
Lingo 3 has a better VfM.
M.
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A man after my own heart Matteo.
I have not heard a Radikal...so my justification was relative to spending that amount on a power supply not the increase in performance for money spent.
Very interesting though to hear your thoughts. Value for money has informed all my decisions regards my hifi journey. I liken it to tunedem....if you get the vfm right then there is a solid basis for keeping upgradeitus and a wonderful hobby in perspective :)
It's also the reason I'm interested in Frederik's products!
I have not heard a Radikal...so my justification was relative to spending that amount on a power supply not the increase in performance for money spent.
Very interesting though to hear your thoughts. Value for money has informed all my decisions regards my hifi journey. I liken it to tunedem....if you get the vfm right then there is a solid basis for keeping upgradeitus and a wonderful hobby in perspective :)
It's also the reason I'm interested in Frederik's products!
LP12, Lingo 3, Cirkus/Kore, Tramp 2, Basik Plus Ania, Linto
Majik Ds, Kisto, Tundra 2.0, Majik 109
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Some listening from the Netherlands:
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... edit-text=
I like the new Lingo power supply case!
Matt
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... edit-text=
I like the new Lingo power supply case!
Matt
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Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
Thank you for the link! I wish I could share your optimisme.........matthias wrote:Some listening from the Netherlands:
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... edit-text=
I like the new Lingo power supply!
Matt
Playing cd’s…………
Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
If Lingo 4 is really better than Lingo 3, the extra €€€ for Radikal will be even less justifiable ...Discodave wrote:A man after my own heart Matteo.
I have not heard a Radikal...so my justification was relative to spending that amount on a power supply not the increase in performance for money spent.
Very interesting though to hear your thoughts. Value for money has informed all my decisions regards my hifi journey. I liken it to tunedem....if you get the vfm right then there is a solid basis for keeping upgradeitus and a wonderful hobby in perspective :)
It's also the reason I'm interested in Frederik's products!
The only problem could be the positioning of its odd case.
M.
Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
I'm a bit surprised it has a cable protruding each end. If they expect it to sit on the same shelf as the LP12 then it must surely sit to one side. Therefore, it will have a cable sticking out the front which isn't really what I'd want to see.Matteo wrote:The only problem could be the positioning of its odd case.
And I can't see how it could be positioned longways side-to-side and hidden behind another component.
I like the size of it though and the fact they are not wasting another full width box on it.
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I think that the best option could be on the floor, but this could affect the performance and probably the cable from LP12 is not long enough, in particular if you have it on a wall shelf
M.
M.
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I wish I could share your optimisme! ;-)matthias wrote:Some listening from the Netherlands:
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... edit-text=
I like the new Lingo power supply case!
Matt
On a serious note though the way the improvements are discribed when they use the lingo 4 makes me uneasy but I could be wrong.
Playing cd’s…………
Re: New LP12 Urika II phonostage and Lingo 4
Hi beck,beck wrote: I wish I could share your optimisme! ;-)
On a serious note though the way the improvements are discribed when they use the lingo 4 makes me uneasy but I could be wrong.
my optimism was related to the Lingo case only. I would like to listen to both the new Lingo and Urika2.
I am curious about Fredriks and Thomas´opinion after listening.
Matt
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Two questions for Thomas or other experts:
Is it now possible to have TWO sources with Klimax DS: Ethernet AND Urika2 ?
Are different gain settings possible with Urika2?
Thanks
Matt
Is it now possible to have TWO sources with Klimax DS: Ethernet AND Urika2 ?
Are different gain settings possible with Urika2?
Thanks
Matt
Matt
MBP / Exposure pre + power (both modified) / JBL3677
MBP / Exposure pre + power (both modified) / JBL3677