The death of K400
Moderator: Staff
The death of K400
Linn has just announced the death of K400 speaker cable. It has been removed from the price list and stock is reportedly depleted.
As a replacement Linn has announced the new K200 which is a single-wire with two conductors, positive and negative, as opposed to the 4 conductor, bi-wire K400. It looks like a balanced Silver interconnect but with no shield and bigger conductors. A thin, flexible silver jacket over what appears to be a twisted pair of conductors. Here are some photos:
Here is how Linn describe it:
"K200 is a high quality, low-loss 2-core cable with a flexible and compact casing. This makes it very easy to work with during installation, even when using two runs of cables in a bi-wired system."
One thing for sure is that it is much more expensive than K400 as it sells for $40 a meter in the US compared to $24 a meter for K400. Since it is a single wire cable that puts it at over 3 times the price of K400 split in half.
As the long-standing reference speaker cable here is K400 split in half, this news is certainly received with some trepidation. We certainly look forward to hearing how it will compare musically and hope it is an improvement.
As a replacement Linn has announced the new K200 which is a single-wire with two conductors, positive and negative, as opposed to the 4 conductor, bi-wire K400. It looks like a balanced Silver interconnect but with no shield and bigger conductors. A thin, flexible silver jacket over what appears to be a twisted pair of conductors. Here are some photos:
Here is how Linn describe it:
"K200 is a high quality, low-loss 2-core cable with a flexible and compact casing. This makes it very easy to work with during installation, even when using two runs of cables in a bi-wired system."
One thing for sure is that it is much more expensive than K400 as it sells for $40 a meter in the US compared to $24 a meter for K400. Since it is a single wire cable that puts it at over 3 times the price of K400 split in half.
As the long-standing reference speaker cable here is K400 split in half, this news is certainly received with some trepidation. We certainly look forward to hearing how it will compare musically and hope it is an improvement.
Last edited by ThomasOK on 2016-12-04 15:42, edited 1 time in total.
The LP12 Whisperer
Manufacturer, Distributor, Retailer and above all lover of music.
Manufacturer, Distributor, Retailer and above all lover of music.
Re: The death of K400
Thanks for the update, Thomas.
Interesting development given the company's focus on cat5/6 speaker links for Exakt.
If the new cable offers an improvement on K-400 then it's encouraging that they continue to service their analogue customers. Hopefully, it's more than a cosmetic change.
Interesting development given the company's focus on cat5/6 speaker links for Exakt.
If the new cable offers an improvement on K-400 then it's encouraging that they continue to service their analogue customers. Hopefully, it's more than a cosmetic change.
LP12_Radikal/2_Keel_Karousel_Ittok III_Akiva. Ak Tuner. UDP-205. Kontrol/2. Solo_Ak 212. 2250_Ak 225
- rowlandhills
- Very active member
- Posts: 582
- Joined: 2008-01-27 19:25
- Location: York, UK
Re: The death of K400
Interesting development.
Not really a surprise, I think it's been on the cards since the death of K600, which meant that 3 way speakers needed a split cable to run aktiv, and the market has certainly shown a willingness to pay a higher price for cables than K400/600.
I'm glad that I have a couple of spare runs of K400 and K600 for own speakers in storage though, at least until I get to hear K200 for myself!
Of course, it does beg the question of how we now refer to our current manually created "K200" (split K400s)...
Not really a surprise, I think it's been on the cards since the death of K600, which meant that 3 way speakers needed a split cable to run aktiv, and the market has certainly shown a willingness to pay a higher price for cables than K400/600.
I'm glad that I have a couple of spare runs of K400 and K600 for own speakers in storage though, at least until I get to hear K200 for myself!
Of course, it does beg the question of how we now refer to our current manually created "K200" (split K400s)...
KRDSM, Tundra to 242s
Silvers, K400, Hutter rack
Silvers, K400, Hutter rack
- macrotech2
- Very active member
- Posts: 459
- Joined: 2012-04-27 07:58
Re: The death of K400
I was told at the Forum event that it was forced on Linn due to supplier issues.
Källa/Sagatun Mono 1.7/Tundra Mono 3/Avalon Idea Mk2
Re: The death of K400
It will now be K200/0 and K200/1, or K200/D (for dearer) :Prowlandhills wrote:Interesting development.
Of course, it does beg the question of how we now refer to our current manually created "K200" (split K400s)...
Paul
KDS2/KK1D/KXOs/SolosD/Keltiks
Re: The death of K400
The price in the UK is 25 GBP per metre.WIJI wrote: It will now be K200/0 and K200/1, or K200/D (for dearer) :P
Paul
Matt
- Music Lover
- Very active member
- Posts: 1673
- Joined: 2007-01-31 20:35
- Location: In front of Lejonklou/JBL/Ofil
Re: The death of K400
So no improvement then or what?macrotech2 wrote:I was told at the Forum event that it was forced on Linn due to supplier issues.
It's all about musical understanding!
-
- Very active member
- Posts: 1089
- Joined: 2012-04-04 15:19
- Location: North Wales
- Contact:
Re: The death of K400
The only discussion about "improvement" at the September factory event related to the sleeve colour and the enhanced flexibility. Hope it sounds better too - its a bit more expensive and is probably improving Linn's profits as part of the design brief ;)
KSH/0; KEBox/2; 3x Tundra Stereo 2.5; PMC fact.12. Blogger. Exakt Design. SO measuring.
Re: The death of K400
Just like the interconnects: 'K200'/Black & K200/Silver - wonder if the optimal length will still be 2.48m...
Re: The death of K400
Who of you have come to this conclusion?tokenbrit wrote:"...wonder if the optimal length will still be 2.48m..."
I'm looking forward to test Linn's new official K200.
Re: The death of K400
There have been a few threads on this - https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=c ... 2Fforum%2F - but most notably Fredrik himself :)Nature wrote:Who of you have come to this conclusion?.tokenbrit wrote:"...wonder if the optimal length will still be 2.48m..."
- macrotech2
- Very active member
- Posts: 459
- Joined: 2012-04-27 07:58
Re: The death of K400
Better in some areas but not in others was the opinion I was given. I wait to hear for myself.sunbeamgls wrote:The only discussion about "improvement" at the September factory event related to the sleeve colour and the enhanced flexibility. Hope it sounds better too - its a bit more expensive and is probably improving Linn's profits as part of the design brief ;)
Källa/Sagatun Mono 1.7/Tundra Mono 3/Avalon Idea Mk2
Re: The death of K400
I did through a lot of testing and I have since confirmed it many times. In fact the length is so important that if you've only listened to K400's that are shorter than 2 m or longer than 4 m, you don't know how good they can be.Nature wrote:Who of you have come to this conclusion?tokenbrit wrote:"...wonder if the optimal length will still be 2.48m..."
I've made a few tests with other speaker cables and based on that my guess is that the new K200 will not have the exact same optimal length. And until someone finds out what that length is, we won't know how good K200 can be.
Yes, it seems really odd but length is that important.
I say it must be either better or worse.macrotech2 wrote:Better in some areas but not in others was the opinion I was given. I wait to hear for myself.
Re: The death of K400
Nordost claims that the optimum length for their speaker cables is a bit over 4 meters and that it varies a bit with different models. When you order a 4 meter length from them you get the little longer length that is the optimum. I have not verified the findings myself, I just state this as an indication that different cables are very likely to have different optimum lengths. Since the construction of the new K200 cable is constructed quite differently with, at least, different insulation on the individual conductors and a different material for the jacket it is indeed likely it will have a different optimal length.
As to the idea of K200 Black and K200 Silver, using this naming as it is like the interconnects would tend to indicate that the Silver is substantially better. This remains to be seen. I kind of like the K200/0 and K200/1 but then as it is a completely different cable that isn't correct either. What about K400÷2?!
As to the idea of K200 Black and K200 Silver, using this naming as it is like the interconnects would tend to indicate that the Silver is substantially better. This remains to be seen. I kind of like the K200/0 and K200/1 but then as it is a completely different cable that isn't correct either. What about K400÷2?!
The LP12 Whisperer
Manufacturer, Distributor, Retailer and above all lover of music.
Manufacturer, Distributor, Retailer and above all lover of music.
-
- Very active member
- Posts: 977
- Joined: 2008-02-08 23:17
- Location: The Magical Forest
Re: The death of K400
Which could also be represented as K400/2 !!ThomasOK wrote: What about K400÷2?!
The search for knowledge is not nourished by certainty, but by a radical distrust in certainty
Re: The death of K400
I like to term mine as Ljnk K-200.
LP12_Radikal/2_Keel_Karousel_Ittok III_Akiva. Ak Tuner. UDP-205. Kontrol/2. Solo_Ak 212. 2250_Ak 225
Re: The death of K400
I did consider that implication but, as you say, it remains to be seen, and there was a case recently of someone preferring Blacks to Silver. It was all a little tongue in cheek, which is why I put air quotes around the K200 .. that and the observation that it's rarely Black & White (or Silver ;) to all people; in all situations...ThomasOK wrote:As to the idea of K200 Black and K200 Silver, using this naming as it is like the interconnects would tend to indicate that the Silver is substantially better...
How about Klou200, or OK200 depending on who made it for you? :)
Re: The death of K400
I say go with the colour. It is easy to relate to and most people know that they have to listen before making up their mind about the quality of the cable. K200/Black and K200/Silver. K200B and K200S.
Playing cd’s…………
-
- Very active member
- Posts: 702
- Joined: 2011-08-30 18:49
- Location: North Lincolnshire -UK.
- Contact:
Re: The death of K400
Why not k200 old, (0) k200 new (n)
ADS3/SagMono/Tundra 2.2- . Totem Tribe Tower.
Lejonklou demos available in the N of England.
Lejonklou demos available in the N of England.
Re: The death of K400
For me the best is:
K200/B and K200/S
Matt
K200/B and K200/S
Matt
Re: The death of K400
Having into consideration that Linn might release a black K200 in the same way as they have done with K40. K40 is now available in both silver and black.
Re: The death of K400
Bit of information about the 4mm conductors from Linn's loudspeaker designer, Phil Budd:
http://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread. ... #pid372058
http://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread. ... #pid372058
LP12_Radikal/2_Keel_Karousel_Ittok III_Akiva. Ak Tuner. UDP-205. Kontrol/2. Solo_Ak 212. 2250_Ak 225
Re: The death of K400
Unfortunately no information about K200 with tune-dem.moog_man wrote:Bit of information about the 4mm conductors from Linn's loudspeaker designer, Phil Budd:
http://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread. ... #pid372058
Matt
Re: The death of K400
Early days still.... no doubt they'll start to trickle in over the next months.matthias wrote:Unfortunately no information about K200 with tune-dem.
LP12_Radikal/2_Keel_Karousel_Ittok III_Akiva. Ak Tuner. UDP-205. Kontrol/2. Solo_Ak 212. 2250_Ak 225
-
- Very active member
- Posts: 2314
- Joined: 2008-01-24 21:46
- Location: North East of The Black Country, UK
Re: The death of K400
Has anyone heard K200(S) or heard any rumours about the sound of K200(S) yet?