Lego wrote: ↑2021-11-15 21:23
Spannko wrote: ↑2021-11-15 17:12
Lego wrote: ↑2021-11-15 16:37
Hold on Peder ,did you not initially listen to the radlkal and if so/not why did you buy it!!??
Are you suggesting caveat emptor? As far as I’m concerned ce doesn’t apply. The fact that the original Radikal effectively bypassed something which Linn have always stated was fundamental to the LP12s performance, and something owners have paid for to upgrade (Nirvana) suggests that the original Radikal was not fit for purpose (for some owners). Someone at Linn cocked up by not ensuring the Radikal was suitable for all plinth variations, or not issuing a suitability memo.
However, owners would need to sue their dealer, which I’m sure most would reluctant to do, and the dealers would then have to sue Linn. I’m sure Linn know this, which I’m sure is why they are keeping quiet. It’s a small specialised enthusiasts market and no one wants to cause problems for someone they later may rely on.
For me, the Radikal debacle is just another nail in the lid of Linn’s coffin, the first of which was driven in when they released the Kan 2s.
Spannko,Nail in the coffin !?..This is conspiracy stuff lol,please supply us with your evidence.
I twice no three times went to listen to the Radikal when it first came out,I didn't like it so I didn't buy it .
I also went to listen to the Karousel ,wasn't convinced so didn't buy it .
Previous to that on another occasion I bought an Arkiv(Dodgy purchase) without listening to it as I was in desperate need of a cartridge.
Got it home listened to it for a few weeks and realised I didn't like it.I also noticed when playing deep bass on dance tracks it had a tendency to slide about ,so I returned it and got my money back .This is not rocket science Spannko😁
I do realize and understand that in this cancel culture 'Blame' is fair game so the high-end customer 🤣 feels no need to take responsibility for their dodgy purchases.
Also our HEC is so driven by wanting to have the latest and the greatest (early adopters) they fool themselves into thinking this is the best purchase ever.
Subsequently the HEC is told that their purchase is either faulty or isn't as great sounding as they previously believed.
This is the point HEC feels somewhat conned and then proceeds to take out a hate campaign against the company, usually Linn.
Personally I don't think Linn have changed,they've always strived to make the best gear in the world and to all intents and purposes they've continued to do that..
I could never criticise or bad mouth Linn in public as their gear and influential philosophy has given me so much pleasure consistently over the last 40 odd yrs and the reliability of the LK stuff in my experience is second to none.
And if that's not enough thanks to the LP12 making me buy so many albums if I sold them all I'd have enough money to to buy their latest and greatest Streamer,talk about getting looked after.
Does that make me an HEC?
Linn are OK !
OK, maybe I’ve been a bit over critical for some people, so let me try and explain the thinking behind my post. I honestly think that I’m entitled to call myself a fully paid up member of the Linn appreciation society, having owned (mostly from new) several LP12s, Basik +, Ittok, Ekos, Asak, ?????, Troika, Arkiv, LK1, Dirak, LK2, LK280, then with Spark, Kairn, Klout, Kans, Isobariks, Kabers, then I flirted with Dynavector, Shahinian, back to LP12, new series kit (Majik, Akurate, Klimax) DSs and amplifiers and finally Exakt Katalyst Akudoriks with DS/2 and EDSM. I think this puts me in a fairly good position to critique the development and history of Linn equipment from the early 80’s until now.
Nails in the Coffin
I suggested the first nail went in when Linn introduced the Kan 2’s. This was a monumental move for Linn. It was the first time that one of their flagship products was replaced by something which was less tuneful than the one it replaced. Diehard flat earther’s saw this as the beginning of the end. Around that time, Karol Kidd released the album “The Night we Called it a Day” and I remember a Linn rep scoffing at the people who thought the album title was related to the way Linn were feeling about being in the HiFi business. So I wasn’t alone in thinking Linn’s approach to designing and selling HiFi had changed for the worse. As far as I’m concerned, each time Linn introduced something which was worse than the model it replaced they lost credibility as a manufacturer who espoused to be a manufacturer of the most musical and pitch perfect HiFi in the world.
Rokit Science
I appreciate what you say about returning something you don’t like. But how many people actually do that? Most people, particularly the people Linn are targeting these days, don’t complain if their system doesn’t meet their expectations - they just lust over the next upgrade which will solve their musical problems.
Have Linn Changed?
I suppose I’ve already answered this! Originally, Linn’s products did the talking. These days, it’s the marketing department who does the talking. Excluding the very latest Next Generation DSs & DSMs, simply because I haven’t heard them, I honestly can’t think of one current product Linn make which I’d like to have at home. I haven’t heard an LP12 I’ve enjoyed listening to since about 1990, including LP12s I’ve heard at the Linn factory.
So why the big turnaround for me? One word ………. Källa. It puts a spotlight on everything which is wrong with modern Linn equipment. Källa doesn’t need a marketing department to convince people why it’s good. It does it’s own talking, just like Linn equipment used to.