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There may not be additional complaints about this "LP12 Radikal problem" moving forward. And it might be as if this problem never existed, but at least it's been resolved and that's a good thing.
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Radikal solution and an expensive ‘fix’ - the 2 should definitely demo better than the 1 if only because the Linnterference fit of the motor is addressed… the height of marketing (& production) akumen: ‘what problem? Listen to this $2k upgrade…’ :!
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Kind of reminds me of new software "features" that are just bug fixes.
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🔷 This LP12-Radikal Problem that Linn has ignored to take responsibility for ...
Yes, it has meant that I and many, many of my music-friends have completely lost confidence in Linn as a company.

An incredibly arrogant behavior from Linn towards his high-end customers.

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Peder, it would be good to know whether, after 8 posts on one single issue, you have something positive to contribute.
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🔷 David Neel....

Excuse me,.when I comment on such shameful behavior from Linn towards their high-end customers ...

YES,.then there is nothing positive to comment on.
And,.if you want to be arrogantly ironic,.so be my guest ...

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Peder wrote: 2021-11-13 18:36 🔷 This LP12-Radikal Problem that Linn has ignored to take responsibility for ...
Yes, it has meant that I and many, many of my music-friends have completely lost confidence in Linn as a company.

An incredibly arrogant behavior from Linn towards his high-end customers.

/Peder
Hold on Peder ,did you not initially listen to the radlkal and if so/not why did you buy it!!??
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Lego wrote: 2021-11-15 16:37
Peder wrote: 2021-11-13 18:36 🔷 This LP12-Radikal Problem that Linn has ignored to take responsibility for ...
Yes, it has meant that I and many, many of my music-friends have completely lost confidence in Linn as a company.

An incredibly arrogant behavior from Linn towards his high-end customers.

/Peder
Hold on Peder ,did you not initially listen to the radlkal and if so/not why did you buy it!!??
Are you suggesting caveat emptor? As far as I’m concerned ce doesn’t apply. The fact that the original Radikal effectively bypassed something which Linn have always stated was fundamental to the LP12s performance, and something owners have paid for to upgrade (Nirvana) suggests that the original Radikal was not fit for purpose (for some owners). Someone at Linn cocked up by not ensuring the Radikal was suitable for all plinth variations, or not issuing a suitability memo.

However, owners would need to sue their dealer, which I’m sure most would reluctant to do, and the dealers would then have to sue Linn. I’m sure Linn know this, which I’m sure is why they are keeping quiet. It’s a small specialised enthusiasts market and no one wants to cause problems for someone they later may rely on.

For me, the Radikal debacle is just another nail in the lid of Linn’s coffin, the first of which was driven in when they released the Kan 2s.
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From the forum rules: The spirit of this forum is one of curiosity, respect and friendly, productive participation.

Here is an example of a post which does not quite meet that spirit:
David Neel wrote: 2021-11-14 22:36 Peder, it would be good to know whether, after 8 posts on one single issue, you have something positive to contribute.
So let me rephrase my question to Peder: Is it appropriate to the spirit of this Lejonklou forum that the first eight posts you have made have all been an apparent crusade against Linn? I understand that you are dissatisfied, but it is possible to infer from your posts that you are more interested in castigating Linn, than in the performance and enjoyment you are getting from your LP12.
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Spannko wrote: 2021-11-15 17:12
Lego wrote: 2021-11-15 16:37
Peder wrote: 2021-11-13 18:36 🔷 This LP12-Radikal Problem that Linn has ignored to take responsibility for ...
Yes, it has meant that I and many, many of my music-friends have completely lost confidence in Linn as a company.

An incredibly arrogant behavior from Linn towards his high-end customers.

/Peder
Hold on Peder ,did you not initially listen to the radlkal and if so/not why did you buy it!!??
Are you suggesting caveat emptor? As far as I’m concerned ce doesn’t apply. The fact that the original Radikal effectively bypassed something which Linn have always stated was fundamental to the LP12s performance, and something owners have paid for to upgrade (Nirvana) suggests that the original Radikal was not fit for purpose (for some owners). Someone at Linn cocked up by not ensuring the Radikal was suitable for all plinth variations, or not issuing a suitability memo.

However, owners would need to sue their dealer, which I’m sure most would reluctant to do, and the dealers would then have to sue Linn. I’m sure Linn know this, which I’m sure is why they are keeping quiet. It’s a small specialised enthusiasts market and no one wants to cause problems for someone they later may rely on.

For me, the Radikal debacle is just another nail in the lid of Linn’s coffin, the first of which was driven in when they released the Kan 2s.
Spannko,Nail in the coffin !?..This is conspiracy stuff lol,please supply us with your evidence.

I twice no three times went to listen to the Radikal when it first came out,I didn't like it so I didn't buy it .

I also went to listen to the Karousel ,wasn't convinced so didn't buy it .

Previous to that on another occasion I bought an Arkiv(Dodgy purchase) without listening to it as I was in desperate need of a cartridge.

Got it home listened to it for a few weeks and realised I didn't like it.I also noticed when playing deep bass on dance tracks it had a tendency to slide about ,so I returned it and got my money back .This is not rocket science Spannko😁

I do realize and understand that in this cancel culture 'Blame' is fair game so the high-end customer 🤣 feels no need to take responsibility for their dodgy purchases.

Also our HEC is so driven by wanting to have the latest and the greatest (early adopters) they fool themselves into thinking this is the best purchase ever.

Subsequently the HEC is told that their purchase is either faulty or isn't as great sounding as they previously believed.

This is the point HEC feels somewhat conned and then proceeds to take out a hate campaign against the company, usually Linn.

Personally I don't think Linn have changed,they've always strived to make the best gear in the world and to all intents and purposes they've continued to do that..

I could never criticise or bad mouth Linn in public as their gear and influential philosophy has given me so much pleasure consistently over the last 40 odd yrs and the reliability of the LK stuff in my experience is second to none.

And if that's not enough thanks to the LP12 making me buy so many albums if I sold them all I'd have enough money to to buy their latest and greatest Streamer,talk about getting looked after.

Does that make me an HEC?

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Spannko wrote: 2021-11-15 17:12 However, owners would need to sue their dealer, which I’m sure most would reluctant to do, and the dealers would then have to sue Linn.
Having a dealership does not obviate Linn (or any other manufacturer) of legal liability for goods not fit for purpose under the legal system of any civilised country of which I have knowledge.

I agree with Lego - my experience of Linn products has been very positive, that's why I own several Linn products. In my audiophile life to date I can recall buying two poor products (one by Musical Fidelity and the other by Cambridge Audio) - both were returned with a full refund.

I get that some people are moving away from Linn on their audiophile journey. But I fail to comprehend the Linn bashing - if I bought a product it's because I liked it.
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Lego wrote: 2021-11-15 21:23
Spannko wrote: 2021-11-15 17:12
Lego wrote: 2021-11-15 16:37
Hold on Peder ,did you not initially listen to the radlkal and if so/not why did you buy it!!??
Are you suggesting caveat emptor? As far as I’m concerned ce doesn’t apply. The fact that the original Radikal effectively bypassed something which Linn have always stated was fundamental to the LP12s performance, and something owners have paid for to upgrade (Nirvana) suggests that the original Radikal was not fit for purpose (for some owners). Someone at Linn cocked up by not ensuring the Radikal was suitable for all plinth variations, or not issuing a suitability memo.

However, owners would need to sue their dealer, which I’m sure most would reluctant to do, and the dealers would then have to sue Linn. I’m sure Linn know this, which I’m sure is why they are keeping quiet. It’s a small specialised enthusiasts market and no one wants to cause problems for someone they later may rely on.

For me, the Radikal debacle is just another nail in the lid of Linn’s coffin, the first of which was driven in when they released the Kan 2s.
Spannko,Nail in the coffin !?..This is conspiracy stuff lol,please supply us with your evidence.

I twice no three times went to listen to the Radikal when it first came out,I didn't like it so I didn't buy it .

I also went to listen to the Karousel ,wasn't convinced so didn't buy it .

Previous to that on another occasion I bought an Arkiv(Dodgy purchase) without listening to it as I was in desperate need of a cartridge.

Got it home listened to it for a few weeks and realised I didn't like it.I also noticed when playing deep bass on dance tracks it had a tendency to slide about ,so I returned it and got my money back .This is not rocket science Spannko😁

I do realize and understand that in this cancel culture 'Blame' is fair game so the high-end customer 🤣 feels no need to take responsibility for their dodgy purchases.

Also our HEC is so driven by wanting to have the latest and the greatest (early adopters) they fool themselves into thinking this is the best purchase ever.

Subsequently the HEC is told that their purchase is either faulty or isn't as great sounding as they previously believed.

This is the point HEC feels somewhat conned and then proceeds to take out a hate campaign against the company, usually Linn.

Personally I don't think Linn have changed,they've always strived to make the best gear in the world and to all intents and purposes they've continued to do that..

I could never criticise or bad mouth Linn in public as their gear and influential philosophy has given me so much pleasure consistently over the last 40 odd yrs and the reliability of the LK stuff in my experience is second to none.

And if that's not enough thanks to the LP12 making me buy so many albums if I sold them all I'd have enough money to to buy their latest and greatest Streamer,talk about getting looked after.

Does that make me an HEC?

Linn are OK !

OK, maybe I’ve been a bit over critical for some people, so let me try and explain the thinking behind my post. I honestly think that I’m entitled to call myself a fully paid up member of the Linn appreciation society, having owned (mostly from new) several LP12s, Basik +, Ittok, Ekos, Asak, ?????, Troika, Arkiv, LK1, Dirak, LK2, LK280, then with Spark, Kairn, Klout, Kans, Isobariks, Kabers, then I flirted with Dynavector, Shahinian, back to LP12, new series kit (Majik, Akurate, Klimax) DSs and amplifiers and finally Exakt Katalyst Akudoriks with DS/2 and EDSM. I think this puts me in a fairly good position to critique the development and history of Linn equipment from the early 80’s until now.

Nails in the Coffin
I suggested the first nail went in when Linn introduced the Kan 2’s. This was a monumental move for Linn. It was the first time that one of their flagship products was replaced by something which was less tuneful than the one it replaced. Diehard flat earther’s saw this as the beginning of the end. Around that time, Karol Kidd released the album “The Night we Called it a Day” and I remember a Linn rep scoffing at the people who thought the album title was related to the way Linn were feeling about being in the HiFi business. So I wasn’t alone in thinking Linn’s approach to designing and selling HiFi had changed for the worse. As far as I’m concerned, each time Linn introduced something which was worse than the model it replaced they lost credibility as a manufacturer who espoused to be a manufacturer of the most musical and pitch perfect HiFi in the world.

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I appreciate what you say about returning something you don’t like. But how many people actually do that? Most people, particularly the people Linn are targeting these days, don’t complain if their system doesn’t meet their expectations - they just lust over the next upgrade which will solve their musical problems.

Have Linn Changed?
I suppose I’ve already answered this! Originally, Linn’s products did the talking. These days, it’s the marketing department who does the talking. Excluding the very latest Next Generation DSs & DSMs, simply because I haven’t heard them, I honestly can’t think of one current product Linn make which I’d like to have at home. I haven’t heard an LP12 I’ve enjoyed listening to since about 1990, including LP12s I’ve heard at the Linn factory.

So why the big turnaround for me? One word ………. Källa. It puts a spotlight on everything which is wrong with modern Linn equipment. Källa doesn’t need a marketing department to convince people why it’s good. It does it’s own talking, just like Linn equipment used to.
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Spannko wrote: 2021-11-15 17:12 OK, maybe I’ve been a bit over critical for some people, so let me try and explain the thinking behind my post. I honestly think that I’m entitled to call myself a fully paid up member of the Linn appreciation society, having owned (mostly from new) several LP12s, Basik +, Ittok, Ekos, Asak, ?????, Troika, Arkiv, LK1, Dirak, LK2, LK280, then with Spark, Kairn, Klout, Kans, Isobariks, Kabers, then I flirted with Dynavector, Shahinian, back to LP12, new series kit (Majik, Akurate, Klimax) DSs and amplifiers and finally Exakt Katalyst Akudoriks with DS/2 and EDSM. I think this puts me in a fairly good position to critique the development and history of Linn equipment from the early 80’s until now.
The Night we Called it a Day was released in 1990. If you thought Linn's philosophy had changed, why carry on buying the kit?

People return products all the time - HiFi dealers expect that. I might find myself in the fortunate position of selling two Linn power amplifiers shortly. I'll be grateful for over twenty years of pleasure and an excellent resale value. What I'm not going to do is criticise Linn for my purchasing decisions. New products emerge and we move on.
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Spannko wrote: 2021-11-16 00:38
Lego wrote: 2021-11-15 21:23
Spannko wrote: 2021-11-15 17:12

Are you suggesting caveat emptor? As far as I’m concerned ce doesn’t apply. The fact that the original Radikal effectively bypassed something which Linn have always stated was fundamental to the LP12s performance, and something owners have paid for to upgrade (Nirvana) suggests that the original Radikal was not fit for purpose (for some owners). Someone at Linn cocked up by not ensuring the Radikal was suitable for all plinth variations, or not issuing a suitability memo.

However, owners would need to sue their dealer, which I’m sure most would reluctant to do, and the dealers would then have to sue Linn. I’m sure Linn know this, which I’m sure is why they are keeping quiet. It’s a small specialised enthusiasts market and no one wants to cause problems for someone they later may rely on.

For me, the Radikal debacle is just another nail in the lid of Linn’s coffin, the first of which was driven in when they released the Kan 2s.
Spannko,Nail in the coffin !?..This is conspiracy stuff lol,please supply us with your evidence.

I twice no three times went to listen to the Radikal when it first came out,I didn't like it so I didn't buy it .

I also went to listen to the Karousel ,wasn't convinced so didn't buy it .

Previous to that on another occasion I bought an Arkiv(Dodgy purchase) without listening to it as I was in desperate need of a cartridge.

Got it home listened to it for a few weeks and realised I didn't like it.I also noticed when playing deep bass on dance tracks it had a tendency to slide about ,so I returned it and got my money back .This is not rocket science Spannko😁

I do realize and understand that in this cancel culture 'Blame' is fair game so the high-end customer 🤣 feels no need to take responsibility for their dodgy purchases.

Also our HEC is so driven by wanting to have the latest and the greatest (early adopters) they fool themselves into thinking this is the best purchase ever.

Subsequently the HEC is told that their purchase is either faulty or isn't as great sounding as they previously believed.

This is the point HEC feels somewhat conned and then proceeds to take out a hate campaign against the company, usually Linn.

Personally I don't think Linn have changed,they've always strived to make the best gear in the world and to all intents and purposes they've continued to do that..

I could never criticise or bad mouth Linn in public as their gear and influential philosophy has given me so much pleasure consistently over the last 40 odd yrs and the reliability of the LK stuff in my experience is second to none.

And if that's not enough thanks to the LP12 making me buy so many albums if I sold them all I'd have enough money to to buy their latest and greatest Streamer,talk about getting looked after.

Does that make me an HEC?

Linn are OK !

OK, maybe I’ve been a bit over critical for some people, so let me try and explain the thinking behind my post. I honestly think that I’m entitled to call myself a fully paid up member of the Linn appreciation society, having owned (mostly from new) several LP12s, Basik +, Ittok, Ekos, Asak, ?????, Troika, Arkiv, LK1, Dirak, LK2, LK280, then with Spark, Kairn, Klout, Kans, Isobariks, Kabers, then I flirted with Dynavector, Shahinian, back to LP12, new series kit (Majik, Akurate, Klimax) DSs and amplifiers and finally Exakt Katalyst Akudoriks with DS/2 and EDSM. I think this puts me in a fairly good position to critique the development and history of Linn equipment from the early 80’s until now.

Nails in the Coffin
I suggested the first nail went in when Linn introduced the Kan 2’s. This was a monumental move for Linn. It was the first time that one of their flagship products was replaced by something which was less tuneful than the one it replaced. Diehard flat earther’s saw this as the beginning of the end. Around that time, Karol Kidd released the album “The Night we Called it a Day” and I remember a Linn rep scoffing at the people who thought the album title was related to the way Linn were feeling about being in the HiFi business. So I wasn’t alone in thinking Linn’s approach to designing and selling HiFi had changed for the worse. As far as I’m concerned, each time Linn introduced something which was worse than the model it replaced they lost credibility as a manufacturer who espoused to be a manufacturer of the most musical and pitch perfect HiFi in the world.

Rokit Science
I appreciate what you say about returning something you don’t like. But how many people actually do that? Most people, particularly the people Linn are targeting these days, don’t complain if their system doesn’t meet their expectations - they just lust over the next upgrade which will solve their musical problems.

Have Linn Changed?
I suppose I’ve already answered this! Originally, Linn’s products did the talking. These days, it’s the marketing department who does the talking. Excluding the very latest Next Generation DSs & DSMs, simply because I haven’t heard them, I honestly can’t think of one current product Linn make which I’d like to have at home. I haven’t heard an LP12 I’ve enjoyed listening to since about 1990, including LP12s I’ve heard at the Linn factory.

So why the big turnaround for me? One word ………. Källa. It puts a spotlight on everything which is wrong with modern Linn equipment. Källa doesn’t need a marketing department to convince people why it’s good. It does it’s own talking, just like Linn equipment used to.
Ahhh the good old days Spannko, nicely put .

.Dont be annoyed at Linn just be annoyed at yourself for upgrading from the musical stuff to the less musical stuff.As Linn said if it sounds better it is better.Did you use the tune-dem?
The problem you had Spannko was it sounded worse yet you still went out and bought all that expensive crud.Why Spannko Why ??

All the subliminal messages and guidance were put in place,like the sacrament of all sacraments ,the tune dem, warning us of the less tuneful gear that will ensue for years to come.

Spannko you still haven't explained to us why you went from great sounding Linn gear to the stuff you berate.What weird listening practices were you using ,please share.

Let this be a warning to all the young hi-fi lovers coming through the ranks.Your experience has not been wasted

Anyway let's leave it there,I feel your pain Brother Spannko it's now time for Lej Baptism, so let the tune-dem set you free from all hi-fi damnation once and for all .Peace !
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Lego wrote: 2021-11-16 01:09 Spannko you still haven't explained to us why you went from great sounding Linn gear to the stuff you berate.What weird listening practices were you using ,please share.
Obviously I can't speak for Spannko, but I can relate my own experience. I slowly upgraded my Linn kit over the years. perhaps the biggest single change being standard chassis/Ittok to Keel/Ekos. In retrospect, each upgrade gave significant sound/hifi benefits, but the musicalty benefited less. Note that I'm not saying it went backwards (I can't remember is adequate detail!). Where the standard chassis to Keel upgrade was mahoosive for both, in retrospect I wonder whether the Ikemi to ADS/1 change was all hifi and retrograde musically. Certainly the Pekin to ADS/1 internet radio change stopped me listening to radio until I re-bought a Pekin.

I've related before how I finally managed to hear Lejonklou, at a point where I was very seriously considering Exakt for my 6100/109s. I was initially hearing Lejonklou to satisfy myself that exakt was superior to alternatives, so that I would not have any regrets after committing to exakt. Instead, I found that whilst climbing the Linn ladder was just a bit more of the same, Lejonklou offered me a different and beguiling experience - which drew me towards the music, in contrast to Linn throwing the music at me.

I also remember the frustrations (in the days before Kantata Audio became a dealer) of arranging to hear Lejonklou and the distance I had to drive, but I'm extremely grateful that I persevered. If I'd gone with exakt I'd still be stuck on the upgrade hamster wheel.
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Not my quote David.
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FairPlayMotty wrote: 2021-11-16 11:58 Not my quote David.
Oops! Now corrected...
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David Neel wrote: 2021-11-16 12:10
FairPlayMotty wrote: 2021-11-16 11:58 Not my quote David.
Oops! Now corrected...
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Lego wrote: 2021-11-16 08:52 Spannko you still haven't explained to us why you went from great sounding Linn gear to the stuff you berate. What weird listening practices were you using, please share.
Thanks for your reply Lego. In response to your question “Why?”, I’m still trying to work that one out!

To paraphrase David Neel, it’s very easy to be seduced by a better sound and not notice an almost imperceptible loss of musicality. Do this a couple of times and before you realise it you’re starting to get lost in the HiFi wilderness.

TuneDem is a great tool, but it’s not infallible. Or should I say, it’s us humans who are fallible? We can sometimes come to the wrong conclusions, usually supported by all kinds of unhelpful cognitions. I took a path I didn’t really intend to go down and paid the price! Fair enough, now it’s time to move on.
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Spannko wrote: 2021-11-17 06:20
Lego wrote: Spannko you still haven't explained to us why you went from great sounding Linn gear to the stuff you berate. What weird listening practices were you using, please share.
Thanks for your reply Lego. In response to your question “Why?”, I’m still trying to work that one out!

To paraphrase David Neel, it’s very easy to be seduced by a better sound and not notice an almost imperceptible loss of musicality. Do this a couple of times and before you realise it you’re starting to get lost in the HiFi wilderness.

TuneDem is a great tool, but it’s not infallible. Or should I say, it’s us humans who are fallible? We can sometimes come to the wrong conclusions, usually supported by all kinds of unhelpful cognitions. I took a path I didn’t really intend to go down and paid the price! Fair enough, now it’s time to move on.
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Spannko wrote: 2021-11-17 06:20
Lego wrote: 2021-11-16 08:52 Spannko you still haven't explained to us why you went from great sounding Linn gear to the stuff you berate. What weird listening practices were you using, please share.
Thanks for your reply Lego. In response to your question “Why?”, I’m still trying to work that one out!

To paraphrase David Neel, it’s very easy to be seduced by a better sound and not notice an almost imperceptible loss of musicality. Do this a couple of times and before you realise it you’re starting to get lost in the HiFi wilderness.

TuneDem is a great tool, but it’s not infallible. Or should I say, it’s us humans who are fallible? We can sometimes come to the wrong conclusions, usually supported by all kinds of unhelpful cognitions. I took a path I didn’t really intend to go down and paid the price! Fair enough, now it’s time to move on.
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V.A.MKD wrote: 2021-11-17 10:51
Spannko wrote: 2021-11-17 06:20
Lego wrote: 2021-11-16 08:52 Spannko you still haven't explained to us why you went from great sounding Linn gear to the stuff you berate. What weird listening practices were you using, please share.
Thanks for your reply Lego. In response to your question “Why?”, I’m still trying to work that one out!

To paraphrase David Neel, it’s very easy to be seduced by a better sound and not notice an almost imperceptible loss of musicality. Do this a couple of times and before you realise it you’re starting to get lost in the HiFi wilderness.

TuneDem is a great tool, but it’s not infallible. Or should I say, it’s us humans who are fallible? We can sometimes come to the wrong conclusions, usually supported by all kinds of unhelpful cognitions. I took a path I didn’t really intend to go down and paid the price! Fair enough, now it’s time to move on.
Exactly ... this happen to me several times ...
It’s happening me too. I don’t believe myself in homeopathy, but at the same time busy with audiopathy. Trying by tweaking and upgrading to “make it better”. But sometimes a next step is TuneDem better, but in the end it ends up for the worse. Compare it to the painting-metaphors of MC Escher (born as me in The Friesian capital of Leeuwarden, you think you walk upwards the steps and then in a sudden you have to conclude that in fact you are walking down. Upgrading and tweaking is a very delicate process and can unnoticed empty your wallet in moments of audio madness.
My own experience with the upgrading is most joyful (from Nait XS to SN2, from old Lenco to refurbished one, from Grado Prestige Gold to Nagaoka MP300, from Pro-Ject box to Slipsik 6.1 and 7.1) but the tweaking was harder. See my threads about damping feet, turntable mats and hurting ears by too much tweaking.
Lenco 76/S TJN, Dr. Fuss, Supernait2, CD5X, Slipsik7.1, Millon Phantom, Soundeck, AudioSensibility
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Re: LP12 Radikal problem

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Ha ha. We have a public house/bier keller/bar not too far from me called The Crooked House. It was built a few hundred years ago in a mining area and has suffered from severe subsidence. A favourite trick of the regular’s is to put a coin on the bar and watch it roll up to the till!
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Hasta la Caja!
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Spannko wrote: 2021-11-17 06:20
Lego wrote: 2021-11-16 08:52 Spannko you still haven't explained to us why you went from great sounding Linn gear to the stuff you berate. What weird listening practices were you using, please share.
Thanks for your reply Lego. In response to your question “Why?”, I’m still trying to work that one out!

To paraphrase David Neel, it’s very easy to be seduced by a better sound and not notice an almost imperceptible loss of musicality. Do this a couple of times and before you realise it you’re starting to get lost in the HiFi wilderness.

TuneDem is a great tool, but it’s not infallible. Or should I say, it’s us humans who are fallible? We can sometimes come to the wrong conclusions, usually supported by all kinds of unhelpful cognitions. I took a path I didn’t really intend to go down and paid the price! Fair enough, now it’s time to move on.
To be honest with Linns post LK stuff I don't even think I liked the hifi sound part of it and I wouldn't say the stuff didn't tune dem well.Personally I still think they probably improved on the tune but the end result wasn't to my taste ,it just left me cold .
I know that tune
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