The sound of LP12 plinths?

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Post by Charlie1 » 2012-02-03 17:02

Sorry Tony, I did not make myself clear. I meant in terms of the sound improvement.

I wasn't sure if it was your deck or not, but it could have been someone who'd never had a service from Thomas before and therefore the deck may have benefited in other ways (i.e. torque settings) in addition to the new plinth being fitted.

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Post by Tony Tune-age » 2012-02-03 17:45

Charlie1 wrote:Sorry Tony, I did not make myself clear. I meant in terms of the sound improvement.

I wasn't sure if it was your deck or not, but it could have been someone who'd never had a service from Thomas before and therefore the deck may have benefited in other ways (i.e. torque settings) in addition to the new plinth being fitted.
Those pictures are my Sondek turntable. And at the time he installed the Movingui plinth, nothing else was changed. He fitted the new plinth in the same fashion as the original Linn Afromosia plinth.

As stated in earlier postings, the sonic improvement was easy to hear. In fact, I was really surprised. The improvement to playing music was along the lines of how my Keel and Radikal made improvements. Only for a lot less money!

Before the installing Woodsong plinth, I didn't think they could make an improvement to the sound. But now I know these exotic wood plinths can improve the sound!
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Post by Charlie1 » 2012-02-03 17:50

Many thanks Tony!

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Post by Tony Tune-age » 2012-02-03 18:36

Charlie1 wrote:Many thanks Tony!
You're very welcome Charlie1...have a great weekend!
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Post by ThomasOK » 2012-02-04 03:52

I think I would definitely have to rate one of the more musical plinths I have heard as being a bigger improvement than a Trampolin 2. I don't know if I'd quite put them in the Keel or Radikal range but there is definitely more power and control in the bass and more musical information being recovered top to bottom - better flow, more nuance to notes, etc. To me definitely a very worthwhile upgrade for the money but they do vary quite a bit musically from one to the next depending on the wood. I still haven't found anything that is up with the top three recommendations I have made previously.

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Post by Charlie1 » 2012-02-07 09:50

Thanks Thomas. I've decided to hold fire this time just in case Linn do something with the top plate in the next couple of years.

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Re: The sound of LP12 plinths?

Post by Shakedown St. » 2017-06-28 23:24

What an amazing thread of information, after reading I just had to make an account on here.

I am brining up this old thread because I don’t recall seeing mahogany or walnut being brought up, has anyone had any experience with those woods?

My only choices right now are the black ash, walnut, mahogany or bubinga.

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Post by lejonklou » 2017-06-29 19:33

Thanks Shakedown St and welcome to the forum!

I've owned a walnut plinth, but that was long before Thomas started properly evaluating the musical performance of plinths. I suspect he might be able to help you, let's see what he says (I know he's really busy at the moment so it might take a couple of days).

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Post by ChrBea » 2017-07-18 12:12

I'm interested too in how walnut ranks among the other plinths. I asked Chris about an alternative in the same colour range, but have no answer yet.
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Post by ThomasOK » 2017-07-18 21:12

I'm afraid I've never had a chance to test a Harban walnut plinth, nor a true test of a Linn one for that matter. My expectation is that a Harban plinth would be more musical than a Linn one because of the precision of construction and the difference in finishing but that is conjecture. After the initial few batches of plinths I tested Chris got too busy to just send me bunches of plinths to play with and it is a little expensive to buy a number of different plinths just to test their sound. What do you do with the ones you don't like. The fact that his plinths now range from $1000 to $2500 and above compared to the $650 they were when I first started also makes this more difficult. Sorry I couldn't be more help.
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Re: The sound of LP12 plinths?

Post by Defender » 2019-11-06 10:41

does anybody know at which time Linn moved away from the fluted plinth to non fluted plinths?

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Post by ThomasOK » 2019-11-06 21:29

Actually there wasn't a specific year as it varied with the wood used. All afromosia plinths were fluted whereas only early rosewood or black were fluted. Linn realized early on that the fluting took away from the beauty of rosewood and its often dramatic grain and went to the flat style. They did the same for the black leaving the afromosia the only fluted plinth for many years. I believe that the walnut was also fluted when first introduced but was likely changed to flat around the time the cherry and rosenut plinths came in.

The afromosia plinths were made into at least 1996 but were gone by mid-1997 when Linn brought the cherry and rosenut plinths into the line, both also with flat front and sides. So at that point fluted plinths likely stopped to exist from Linn. Rosewood was discontinued sometime before October 1991, the oldest price list I have. Since this is a bit before the Cirkus came out it means that there were no LP12 rosewood with Cirkus made and also that the rosewood Linn plinth with large corner braces I have on my second LP12 is rather uncommon as they started with the large corner braces in 1984.
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Re: The sound of LP12 plinths?

Post by Defender » 2019-11-06 21:46

hi Thomas thank you - your answers are helpfull as always.
It is a cherry plinth with a sticker „Lingo power supply unit“ and no checkmarks on the 110V or 240V square
it has a really low serial number on it in the 16000 range which linn helpline came up with probably around 1977 but I suspect it. Could not check the plinth as I dont have the LP12 physically. But all looks in perfect condition thats why I think its rather 90‘s up.

... I see now in your answer cherry came in about 1997 so that could fit as the Ekos II on it is from 1997.

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Re: The sound of LP12 plinths?

Post by ThomasOK » 2019-11-08 21:14

Yes, the serial number doesn't seem to fit with the description. However, Linn will print a new label with the original serial number for those who decide to buy a new plinth, or the original label might be transferred if you are careful. So some of the internals might date from 1977 but most may have been replaced, especially if the Cirkus has been installed. That is one of the things about LP12s is that there are so many upgrades done over the years that they can end up being like Tigger's broom.

My own LP12 is a perfect example of this. I purchased it in 2001 on eBay while I was selling computers. It gave me the opportunity to get an LP12 with Ekos, Arkiv and Lingo as a quite good price. It was set up horribly which might have had to do with why it was sold. However, since then I replaced the Lingo 1 with a Radikal, the Ekos with an Ekos SE/1, the subchassis with a Keel, the bottom board with a Trampolin 2, the plinth with a custom movingui plinth, the Cirkus with a newer Cirkus, the original top plate with the newer top plate with the stud in the motor corner (on which I installed hand picked suspension bolts), the Arkiv with an Akiva and then a Kandid, the outer platter with a newer outer platter, the P-Clip with the newer P-Clip and the dustcover with a new one with new hinges. Can you spot any original parts? Maybe the cable clamp for the motor umbilical cable and possibly the hinge plates (although I'M betting I replaced those as well). Many of the parts listed above have been replaced not once but two or even several times (I just put on the third outer platter last week). But it still has the serial number sticker from the original unit.
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