Re: JBL 308P and 708P
Posted: 2021-12-06 01:41
They're giving me the feeling of younger ears :)
Fantastic to get this degree of upgrade in my fifties.
Fantastic to get this degree of upgrade in my fifties.
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FairPlayMotty what is your complete chain (source if LP12 what configuration) and pre amp please?FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-12-06 01:41 They're giving me the feeling of younger ears :)
Fantastic to get this degree of upgrade in my fifties.
Home made streamer, Linn Kolektor, Rega Planar 9. The turntable is rarely used.Defender wrote: ↑2021-12-06 09:29FairPlayMotty what is your complete chain (source if LP12 what configuration) and pre amp please?FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-12-06 01:41 They're giving me the feeling of younger ears :)
Fantastic to get this degree of upgrade in my fifties.
On which stands do you have the 308‘s
The source (see what I did there?) of all of those feelings in my system is clearly Källa. The 308's are better than 3677 but not in all ways and not fundamentally like that. Any speaker that is not "bad" would sound amazing with Källa -> Sagatun.
It is a common misconception that just because parts of the signal chain contain ADC, then the entire signal chain can be considered "digital" and hide analogue differences on the way. It does not work like that. In fact, a properly designed ADC->DAC->ADC-chain will have zero effect on musicality and behave just as if it would be analogue all the way.FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-12-06 09:42 One thing I've discovered with the JBL 308P is that the DAC used with the streamer (I have the Gigaport HD+ plus two Chinese DACs which I prefer) does make a difference despite the ADC/DAC in the JBLs.
@Spannko: Jajo said in that post what the 308 and the 708 dont do which is something I would miss for sure.jajo wrote: ↑2021-12-04 16:57708P is closer to the "live" feeling of 3677 and other JBL Pro Cinema-speakers thanks to the better drivers and having a real compression driver and horn (that is almost as big as the one in 3677).
However the 15" bass driver in 3677 sounds very different. It has less low bass extension but a much more powerful midbass with more "slam" and "attack". This undoubtedly gives more live feeling. I think perhaps this is what you are missing when you are listening to 308P.
But overall 708P is a better and more musical speaker than 3677 with a more pleasant sound in midrange/treble (3677 can sound a bit harsh in the lower range of the horn). 708P can play incredibly loud (308P cannot) so it could perhaps be worth a try. But from what I am reading, I believe you need 15" bass drivers and a real CF-driver+horn to be happy. 708P will only give you half of that.
I have touched the issue before. I then claimed that 308 performs on a musical level that beats everything else except 708P and possibly some models of JBL Pro Cinema.Spannko wrote: ↑2021-12-06 16:04 Can I just check where people feel the 308’s fit on the spectrum of amplifier/speaker combinations? Are they just excellent value for money or are they something which someone might exchange their mono Lejonklou amps and Klangedang’s for? How about Boazu and 109’s? or Nait 1 and Kans? For around €300 there’s not much musical HiFi available, but what about Creek 4040 and Royd Coniston’s for about €150?
What stands are you using?Spannko wrote: ↑2021-12-06 18:26 Thanks jajo. The reason I ask is because I’ve recently bought a pair of 308’s and they don’t have the musicality you describe. The system consists of KDS/1 + Linn Silver + original Majik pre-amp section + Linn Silver + no name phono to xlr adapter. I appreciate that the phono to xlr adapter will have an affect on the overall performance, but the musicality is so poor I’m reluctant to chop up a decent pair of cables to solder on an xlr.
The bass is pretty good. It’s very nicely pitched and the sound quality isn’t too bad either. However, the mids are quite poorly pitched and time wise they’re happy to play on their own! The net result is pretty boring to listen to tbh, exactly the opposite of what you’re finding!
I’ll try them again when I get a decent source + pre-amp!
Burn-in. Let them play a lot, and loudly. Took me several weeks, and I got mine second hand! I guess it’s the kind of speaker people sometimes put on a desk and only listen at close distance.Spannko wrote: ↑2021-12-06 18:26 Thanks jajo. The reason I ask is because I’ve recently bought a pair of 308’s and they don’t have the musicality you describe. The system consists of KDS/1 + Linn Silver + original Majik pre-amp section + Linn Silver + no name phono to xlr adapter. I appreciate that the phono to xlr adapter will have an affect on the overall performance, but the musicality is so poor I’m reluctant to chop up a decent pair of cables to solder on an xlr.
The bass is pretty good. It’s very nicely pitched and the sound quality isn’t too bad either. However, the mids are quite poorly pitched and time wise they’re happy to play on their own! The net result is pretty boring to listen to tbh, exactly the opposite of what you’re finding!
I’ll try them again when I get a decent source + pre-amp!
LP-8 &/or IN-8?FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-11-27 05:08I'll trial the Kali second wave soon via Amazon sale or return (free)...jajo wrote: ↑2021-11-23 00:34Unfortunately no.FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-11-22 18:52 Have you ever heard Kali LP 8 or Kali LP 6 Jajo? I'm interested in them purely they're a breakaway from JBL and seem to be going after the same market as the JBL 3 series.
The chinese DACs must be good!FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-12-06 19:20 My streamer DAC experiments were to ascertain if changing the DAC made any difference. With my my three DACs it made a very small difference, too small to call either in the room or in the clips.
It will help. Give them time.Spannko wrote: ↑2021-12-06 21:07 jajo & Azazello,
I’m not using “traditional” stands. They consist of an open metal frame with a couple of 75mm timbers on top to raise the height to 500mm! 😳 🤣 Regardless of the construction, they seem to work very well with Graham LS5/9’s, producing a tuneful, harmonious and rhythmic sound, but admittedly, I accept that they may not be a good match with the 308’s,
Careful installation? Not really, tbh. But then again, the 5/9’s aren’t installed mm perfect either.
Fully run in? I’m not sure. They’re used, but I don’t know how much use they’ve had. Maybe more use will help?
Have you got the JBLs plugged into the same distribution block?Don't worry Spannko you will eventually 'get it'.If you don't feel like putting them on ,there's something seriously wrong with them.Spannko wrote: ↑2021-12-06 21:07 jajo & Azazello,
I’m not using “traditional” stands. They consist of an open metal frame with a couple of 75mm timbers on top to raise the height to 500mm! 😳 🤣 Regardless of the construction, they seem to work very well with Graham LS5/9’s, producing a tuneful, harmonious and rhythmic sound, but admittedly, I accept that they may not be a good match with the 308’s,
Careful installation? Not really, tbh. But then again, the 5/9’s aren’t installed mm perfect either.
Fully run in? I’m not sure. They’re used, but I don’t know how much use they’ve had. Maybe more use will help?
Dedicated cables will help.Spannko wrote: ↑2021-12-06 21:07 jajo & Azazello,
I’m not using “traditional” stands. They consist of an open metal frame with a couple of 75mm timbers on top to raise the height to 500mm! 😳 🤣 Regardless of the construction, they seem to work very well with Graham LS5/9’s, producing a tuneful, harmonious and rhythmic sound, but admittedly, I accept that they may not be a good match with the 308’s,
Careful installation? Not really, tbh. But then again, the 5/9’s aren’t installed mm perfect either.
Fully run in? I’m not sure. They’re used, but I don’t know how much use they’ve had. Maybe more use will help?
Start by just playing on them for some time (at least one week). Avoid unplugging them from the mains as it will be very bad for the performance.Spannko wrote: ↑2021-12-06 21:07 jajo & Azazello,
I’m not using “traditional” stands. They consist of an open metal frame with a couple of 75mm timbers on top to raise the height to 500mm! 😳 🤣 Regardless of the construction, they seem to work very well with Graham LS5/9’s, producing a tuneful, harmonious and rhythmic sound, but admittedly, I accept that they may not be a good match with the 308’s,
Careful installation? Not really, tbh. But then again, the 5/9’s aren’t installed mm perfect either.
Fully run in? I’m not sure. They’re used, but I don’t know how much use they’ve had. Maybe more use will help?