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El Mero Mero wrote: ↑2021-11-25 19:19I always tune my speakers both separately and together. The distance to the wall is never identical.
..and can't wait to read that review :0)Discodave wrote: ↑2021-11-25 19:48El Mero Mero wrote: ↑2021-11-25 19:19I always tune my speakers both separately and together. The distance to the wall is never identical.
I have never thought about this. Very interesting. My positioning has always been exactly the same from sides/backs. Will give it a go once the JBLs arrive. Cheers
I'll trial the Kali second wave soon via Amazon sale or return (free).jajo wrote: ↑2021-11-23 00:34Unfortunately no.FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-11-22 18:52 Have you ever heard Kali LP 8 or Kali LP 6 Jajo? I'm interested in them purely they're a breakaway from JBL and seem to be going after the same market as the JBL 3 series.
lets see but thats already the wrong focus (Charles Sprinkle wanted to design the Kali's to measure better than the 308P) maybe he was lucky and created a better speaker even though he had the wrong focus.FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-11-27 05:08I'll trial the Kali second wave soon via Amazon sale or return (free).jajo wrote: ↑2021-11-23 00:34Unfortunately no.FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-11-22 18:52 Have you ever heard Kali LP 8 or Kali LP 6 Jajo? I'm interested in them purely they're a breakaway from JBL and seem to be going after the same market as the JBL 3 series.
For those who can't obtain a set of JBL 308 MK1 it may be interesting. Kali is a JBL spin off company with the most relevant feature being it's based around Charles Sprinkle who designed the JBL 3 series mark one. Now that may have no delightful end result in the Kali's being as musical a speaker as the JBL 308P but it's worth a trial. Charles Sprinkle wanted to design the Kali's to measure better than the 308P (mission accomplished) but that doesn't mean they're speakers with the same musicality as the 308P. We'll see.
Unless he suddenly developed an interest in messuring, I am guessing he probably also measured and optimized the 308P but (still?) made a good speaker. Either he combined it with good ears or it included a portion of luck. Could happen more than once. Sounds like JBL has been a rather lucky company lately though..
What makes you say that Cortina,have you heard a vast array of jbl speakers ,please share your knowledgecortina wrote: ↑2021-11-27 16:21Unless he suddenly developed an interest in messuring, I am guessing he probably also measured and optimized the 308P but (still?) made a good speaker. Either he combined it with good ears or it included a portion of luck. Could happen more than once. Sounds like JBL has been a rather lucky company lately though..
The design process at JBL and Kali is well documented. It seems to be a combination of measurement and listening. The JBL 3 series was designed for studio monitor use so measurements were important.cortina wrote: ↑2021-11-27 16:21Unless he suddenly developed an interest in messuring, I am guessing he probably also measured and optimized the 308P but (still?) made a good speaker. Either he combined it with good ears or it included a portion of luck. Could happen more than once. Sounds like JBL has been a rather lucky company lately though..
Do Kali offer speakers with compression drivers like the JBL 7 series?
Ha ha. Throwing all the components into a box and withdrawing them at random will definitely “from time to time” produce the best speaker ever produced.FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-11-27 17:56 I'm happy for JBL and Kali to use this process if a highly musical speaker emerges from time to time.
Hardly what they're doing.Spannko wrote: ↑2021-11-27 21:57Ha ha. Throwing all the components into a box and withdrawing them at random will definitely “from time to time” produce the best speaker ever produced.FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-11-27 17:56 I'm happy for JBL and Kali to use this process if a highly musical speaker emerges from time to time.
It’s the “time to time” element I’m referring to. A reliable method should produce a good speaker every time - not by luck, like an infinite number of monkeys with oscilloscopes!FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-11-27 22:11Hardly what they're doing.Spannko wrote: ↑2021-11-27 21:57Ha ha. Throwing all the components into a box and withdrawing them at random will definitely “from time to time” produce the best speaker ever produced.FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-11-27 17:56 I'm happy for JBL and Kali to use this process if a highly musical speaker emerges from time to time.
The JBL 3 series is designed for studio monitor use. The 7 series was designed for broadcast and post production use. The 3677s were designed for home cinema or commercial cinema use. JBL isn't designing these products for domestic audiophile use. The sales of the JBL 3 series and 7 series to their intended markets have been huge and they've had acclaim for their intended use.Spannko wrote: ↑2021-11-28 00:26It’s the “time to time” element I’m referring to. A reliable method should produce a good speaker every time - not by luck, like an infinite number of monkeys with oscilloscopes!
Have you listened to 4670D? Seems like it could be an semi-reasonable alternative to 4670C, but still better low frequency response than 3677. :)jajo wrote: ↑2021-11-08 04:02 The best JBL speaker I ever heard is the JBL 4675C (probably, because of their size I haven't been able to compare them directly to 308/708P but I trust my gut feeling here).
There are probably many fantastic speakers in their lineup but there are also many that aren't performing (like the 3678, 4722, 3722, new 2xx-series that replaced 3677). So JBL is not a brand that can be generally recommended (like most brands).
Yes, but not in a reliable environment unfortunately. My gut feeling is that they are not something to go for.Azazello wrote: ↑2021-11-30 13:23Have you listened to 4670D? Seems like it could be an semi-reasonable alternative to 4670C, but still better low frequency response than 3677. :)jajo wrote: ↑2021-11-08 04:02 The best JBL speaker I ever heard is the JBL 4675C (probably, because of their size I haven't been able to compare them directly to 308/708P but I trust my gut feeling here).
There are probably many fantastic speakers in their lineup but there are also many that aren't performing (like the 3678, 4722, 3722, new 2xx-series that replaced 3677). So JBL is not a brand that can be generally recommended (like most brands).
Not from experience, just from research while considering 308s myself: have you looked at Mogami cables? They didn’t seem too expensive for longer lengths, and they’re a known brand that’s good enough to be used by Linn for one of their tonearm cables, if I remember correctly… I had thought they’d be worth a try if I’d gone ahead with the 308s especially since the Mogamis are available from Amazon, over here, with free returns…
4670 and 4675 seem to share all components exempt the horn (but with the same driver), and a different setting on the filter. It does seem like they should be really similar unless the horn itself is really critical?
The horn IS the secret with 4675C.Azazello wrote: ↑2021-11-30 17:124670 and 4675 seem to share all components exempt the horn (but with the same driver), and a different setting on the filter. It does seem like they should be really similar unless the horn itself is really critical?
Also it seems like it should be possible to use the 4675 setting (800 hz) on the 4670 (should be 630 hz) if the filter setting is an issue? I guess that the idea is to offload some work from the HF driver to be able to play 4675 louder?
