Re: JBL 308P and 708P
Posted: 2021-10-08 21:11
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A pair being delivered here on Friday night. Intended for the secondary system here. Nod to Jajo!Discodave wrote: ↑2021-10-12 16:56 Lol at biding their time. Great stuff.
Also fantastic that the forum has come up with a pair of speakers that are both musical and a fraction of the price of their comparators, but ALSO provide amplification, saving another small fortune!
Im tempted to source a pair and store in the attic for a future time when I need speakers again.
I would say probably not. For one thing I would guess (though I'm not sure) that the volume control on the 308P is a DVC and would likely be much less musical than a Kikkin or especially a Giella ∏. Even if it is not a DVC it is still highly unlikely to be near as musical as those devices. Then there is also the usability aspect with the knobs on the back of each one changing volume will be a PIA and trying to keep the two channels balance as you change the volume is likely to be an even bigger PIA. But you could do it if you really wanted to.
Listening to Radio Paradise? ;) I can bring beers :)
I recommend the LSR310S subwoofer from the same series as the 308P. It is a very musical subwoofer that has a built-in filter that is tuned perfectly for 308P. Signal would then go to the subwoofer and then on to the 308P. A friend of mine use 308P with two LSR310S (one per channel) with superb results.FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-10-13 22:39 Ahead of receipt of my 308P I had a look at a few reviews of the 708P and 308P. There was some consensus that the 308P performs better with a subwoofer. At less than £90 the attached enables a subwoofer to be attached and the DSP to be adjusted via MiniDSP. Having a good quality subwoofer to hand I'll perhaps give it a try after a few months - my main passive speakers give me extremely deep and musical bass.
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Thanks Jajo, great to know but the miniDSP route with my subwoofer will be a cheaper test - the DSP cut off point for the subwoofer seems to be fairly well agreed. There seem to be some mutterings about a beneficial effect of a subwoofer for the 708P though by all accounts they deliver much deeper than the 308P so that seems dubious to me. The logic for the subwoofer seems to be taking the lower end strain away from the 8" woofer. Does that make sense to you?jajo wrote: ↑2021-10-14 01:07I recommend the LSR310S subwoofer from the same series as the 308P. It is a very musical subwoofer that has a built-in filter that is tuned perfectly for 308P. Signal would then go to the subwoofer and then on to the 308P. A friend of mine use 308P with two LSR310S (one per channel) with superb results.FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-10-13 22:39 Ahead of receipt of my 308P I had a look at a few reviews of the 708P and 308P. There was some consensus that the 308P performs better with a subwoofer. At less than £90 the attached enables a subwoofer to be attached and the DSP to be adjusted via MiniDSP. Having a good quality subwoofer to hand I'll perhaps give it a try after a few months - my main passive speakers give me extremely deep and musical bass.
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The DSP will however greatly affect the end result. My experience with miniDSP is not positive. The JBL sub has a great filter that has very little effect on the musicality of the 308P and makes the integration very good.FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-10-14 01:17Thanks Jajo, great to know but the miniDSP route with my subwoofer will be a cheaper test - the DSP cut off point for the subwoofer seems to be fairly well agreed. There seem to be some mutterings about a beneficial effect of a subwoofer for the 708P though by all accounts they deliver much deeper than the 308P so that seems dubious to me. The logic for the subwoofer seems to be taking the lower end strain away from the 8" woofer. Does that make sense to you?jajo wrote: ↑2021-10-14 01:07I recommend the LSR310S subwoofer from the same series as the 308P. It is a very musical subwoofer that has a built-in filter that is tuned perfectly for 308P. Signal would then go to the subwoofer and then on to the 308P. A friend of mine use 308P with two LSR310S (one per channel) with superb results.FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-10-13 22:39 Ahead of receipt of my 308P I had a look at a few reviews of the 708P and 308P. There was some consensus that the 308P performs better with a subwoofer. At less than £90 the attached enables a subwoofer to be attached and the DSP to be adjusted via MiniDSP. Having a good quality subwoofer to hand I'll perhaps give it a try after a few months - my main passive speakers give me extremely deep and musical bass.
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I'm pleased that the DSP for both JBL models has been hacked and apparently the accuracy confirmed by JBL.
I've been contemplating giving the 310 a try because integrating it into my system might help reduce bass output. My only complaint about the 308 so far is that in my small room I can't fully tame the bass. Even with the bass level switch in its minimum setting there's still too much of it. Granted I haven't tried optimizing their position yet, and that will happen first before I consider the subwoofer route. Fortunately the 308's bass performance is fantastic, so having a bit too much of it is kinda like getting a generous pour of a really good wine.jajo wrote: ↑2021-10-14 01:07 I recommend the LSR310S subwoofer from the same series as the 308P. It is a very musical subwoofer that has a built-in filter that is tuned perfectly for 308P. Signal would then go to the subwoofer and then on to the 308P. A friend of mine use 308P with two LSR310S (one per channel) with superb results.
Many thanks Jajo!jajo wrote: ↑2021-10-14 01:32The DSP will however greatly affect the end result. My experience with miniDSP is not positive. The JBL sub has a great filter that has very little effect on the musicality of the 308P and makes the integration very good.FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-10-14 01:17Thanks Jajo, great to know but the miniDSP route with my subwoofer will be a cheaper test - the DSP cut off point for the subwoofer seems to be fairly well agreed. There seem to be some mutterings about a beneficial effect of a subwoofer for the 708P though by all accounts they deliver much deeper than the 308P so that seems dubious to me. The logic for the subwoofer seems to be taking the lower end strain away from the 8" woofer. Does that make sense to you?jajo wrote: ↑2021-10-14 01:07
I recommend the LSR310S subwoofer from the same series as the 308P. It is a very musical subwoofer that has a built-in filter that is tuned perfectly for 308P. Signal would then go to the subwoofer and then on to the 308P. A friend of mine use 308P with two LSR310S (one per channel) with superb results.
I'm pleased that the DSP for both JBL models has been hacked and apparently the accuracy confirmed by JBL.
Give miniDSP a try of course but if it works bad, I recommend trying the JBL subwoofer instead.
Indeed the 708P works very well without subwoofer. The 8” driver handles lowend much better. I personally didn’t want to go the subwoofer path and that is why I got 708 to replace 308.
2) (assuming your problem is with the amount of bass below 80Hz) It would appear so with the recommended crossover setting, and the 310's own volume control. The way I read the 3-series manual is you can attenuate the sub output effectively dialing down the bass volume relative to the 308 volume of frequencies above 80Hz. Without the 310 you're adjusting the volume of all frequencies reproduced by the 308s.markiteight wrote: ↑2021-10-14 01:34 Assuming I can't tame the bass by optimizing speaker positions in the room, I have a couple quesitions: 1) Is the 310's musical performance up to the standards of the 308 (sounds like it might be), and 2) Do the 310's level controls provide a wider range of attenuation such that I'd be able to tame the bass in my room?
Hey there's a thought! I should RTFM. When R-ing TFM I came across this little gem: "...ideal balance is achieved when the position of the volume control on the subwoofer is set to the same position as the volume control on the main speakers." I have the 308's level controls set to maximum, so it sounds like anything less than max on the 310's level control will be attenuating its output relative to the main speakers.tokenbrit wrote: ↑2021-10-14 02:35 2) (assuming your problem is with the amount of bass below 80Hz) It would appear so with the recommended crossover setting, and the 310's own volume control. The way I read the 3-series manual is you can attenuate the sub output effectively dialing down the bass volume relative to the 308 volume of frequencies above 80Hz. Without the 310 you're adjusting the volume of all frequencies reproduced by the 308s.
Yes, with the Volume control knob that's the case. But there's also an LF Trim switch that offers a -2, 0, or +2 dB bass contour. I thought I had that set to the -2 position but on closer inspection it turns out both speakers are set to +2! No wonder I've been battling too much bass. I don't know how they got there except that maybe while blindly moving the switch I momentarily forgot that I was reaching down from above and all the controls are therefore inverted. Oopssss...
1) Yes, properly installed it improves musicality versus only using 308Pmarkiteight wrote: ↑2021-10-14 01:34 Assuming I can't tame the bass by optimizing speaker positions in the room, I have a couple quesitions: 1) Is the 310's musical performance up to the standards of the 308 (sounds like it might be), and 2) Do the 310's level controls provide a wider range of attenuation such that I'd be able to tame the bass in my room?
I’ve owned one miniDSP and tested a few more and they never performed well. Even in passthrough mode they destroy the musicality.FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2021-10-14 22:10What was that experience Jajo? Apparently the JBL DSP code has been hacked and verified by JBL.