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Defender wrote: 2021-03-26 21:06 I am sitting here enjoing my not even maxed out LP12 through Entity and Sagatun smiling and shaking my head - I wish them all the best but Linn Marketing doesnt need to do the emotion road as those emotions are only for a limited number of people.
... and I bet my Akurate DS/3 it will not even come close to what an LP12 can achieve

its still just 1’s and 0‘s ... give a painter only black and white as colors the outcome will never be a van Gogh
Do you think Van Gough could get a half price discount, for obvious reasons?
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Defender wrote: 2021-03-26 21:06 its still just 1’s and 0‘s ... give a painter only black and white as colors the outcome will never be a van Gogh
I bet Ansel Adams would have got pretty excited at the thought of having 16,777,216 grey scale levels to play with, though 🤣
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Spannko wrote: 2021-03-26 21:51
Defender wrote: 2021-03-26 21:06 its still just 1’s and 0‘s ... give a painter only black and white as colors the outcome will never be a van Gogh
I bet Ansel Adams would have got pretty excited at the thought of having 16,777,216 grey scale levels to play with, though 🤣
He was Analogue Adams; you're thinking of Pixel Adams, maybe? 😋
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macrotech2 wrote: 2021-03-26 19:00 Who are they targeting to buy this?
Maybe they will sell more upgrades than new Klimax DSM.
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I have a lot of respect for Linn and what they have achieved. For 45 years there has been at least one Linn product in my system, and for a long time it was all Linn.

I have no doubt that the new kit will sound absolutely wonderful. But, will it rip the soul out of the music like the Urika II does? If it doesn't, that would be great, but I still won't be able to afford it....
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David Neel wrote: 2021-03-26 22:26 I have a lot of respect for Linn and what they have achieved. For 45 years there has been at least one Linn product in my system, and for a long time it was all Linn.

I have no doubt that the new kit will sound absolutely wonderful. But, will it rip the soul out of the music like the Urika II does? If it doesn't, that would be great, but I still won't be able to afford it....
Excellent point. And here lies the rub, you don't need to afford it. Part of their business model, as far as I can see anyway, allows people to build wonderful systems around 2nd hand/legacy gear. I started with a 1978 LP12 into Wakonda/LK100. Blew the head of my shoulders. Now I'm here. If it wasn't for Linn, life would be that much duller for me.
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springwood64 wrote: 2021-03-26 22:26
macrotech2 wrote: 2021-03-26 19:00 Who are they targeting to buy this?
Maybe they will sell more upgrades than new Klimax DSM.
What upgrades? it appears there will be no upgrades to current Klimax DSM, instead a trade in program for your old one. There are upgrades for the K350a and the Klimax Exaktbox crossover, but not the KDS or KDSM.
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Ah. I extrapolated, unjustifiably it appears.
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I’m quite shocked for the new Selekt
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The marketing blurb says, "manufactured entirely in-house". A cursory examination of the section of the Organik PCB published reveals a plethora of parts manufactured elsewhere. No surprise but why exaggerate?
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FairPlayMotty wrote: 2021-03-27 00:34 marketing [...] exaggerate
I think you have the explanation right there. It's marketing. It's meant to feel good. Not be literally true.

Then again, unless you're selling boiled (unsalted) potatoes, "manufactured entirely in-house" is virtually impossible to live up to. Certainly no technology company could say that today and have it be literally true.

If you design, manufacture and assemble every major subsystem and software in-house (using mostly sourced components, obviously), I think you'd be allowed to attempt to claim "manufactured entirely in-house". The claim would not be in my top 5 objections to this launch, at least...
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"manufactured entirely in-house" is virtually impossible to live up to."

I agree but I don't believe they could claim, "made in America" using that number of parts made by TI (op amps), Chinese tantalum caps, Samsung caps etc. It's hard to spot what's made in Scotland.

It's hardly a revolutionary streamer judging by the webinar and the Organik PCB. I can see why they're going for the lifestyle market (the podcast makes that very clear) but I expected more from the hyperbole.
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Agreed. I'm not sure what I expected, but I certainly hoped for more than this.

"Change the face of streaming" is just ridiculous. This product changes absolutely nothing. Even IF it is the best source ever, it is still a product most people can only dream of affording, and as such, will have very little impact. The first generation DS hardly "changed streaming" either, even if they were among the first hifi companies to go that way. This time.. will anyone notice?
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Some impressions from the other side of the pond:

https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/bits-and ... -dac-r996/

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I noticed the term DAC distortion! So digital perfection is not perfect. :-)
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FairPlayMotty wrote: 2021-03-27 01:19 I expected more from the hyperbole.
Time for Linn to publish a couple of before and after clips on the Playground!

I'm sure we'll see listening impressions soon. Linn have created high expectations.
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A new white paper?
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teatime wrote: 2021-03-27 01:43 Agreed. I'm not sure what I expected, but I certainly hoped for more than this.

"Change the face of streaming" is just ridiculous. This product changes absolutely nothing. Even IF it is the best source ever, it is still a product most people can only dream of affording, and as such, will have very little impact. The first generation DS hardly "changed streaming" either, even if they were among the first hifi companies to go that way. This time.. will anyone notice?
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Do I see a new Input for a fiber network connection labeled "Optical Ethernet"?
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Animal wrote: 2021-03-27 10:31 Do I see a new Input for a fiber network connection labeled "Optical Ethernet"?
That is new, Louis.
And a second USB port; what for?
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its fascinating how the computer audiophile is impressed about the 20db lower distortion figures than Katalyst ... which is certainly an impressive achievement but does it matter is the more important question. I know my LP12 cant compete with that ... it was already far off from the Katalyst but is still more musical.

Did they mention somewhere the new architecture is better when vinyl?

Building an DAC from discrete parts is nothing new - Total DAC does that since years with ladder resistors.
Teac Esoteric calls it Master Sound Discrete DAC and its offered in their N-01XD Streamer for about 20.000USD since 2020.

What I liked about the Klimax line so far was its design was completely different from Akurate and Majik - the new system looks too much the same as Selekt.
The question is if Klimax DS/3 will stay - if not there will be a big gap in the product line between Akurate DS and Klimax Selekt DS
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beck wrote: 2021-03-27 08:40 I noticed the term DAC distortion! So digital perfection is not perfect. :-)
It depends what is meant by "DAC".

A DAC chip is digital on the input. A DAC product that turns digital into analogue has analogue components and therefore distortion. So a DAC product (rather than the chip itsself) is prone to distortion.
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Apparently the current Klimax DS and DSM will continue in parallel, although its not clear for how long.

The new one is called Next Gen Klimax DSM.

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For those of us at Akurate spending levels, this statement on the Linn website may be of concern:

"Next-generation Klimax DSM completes the Linn DSM family line-up of Klimax DSM, Selekt DSM and Majik DSM"
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sunbeamgls wrote: 2021-03-27 11:54 For those of us at Akurate spending levels, this statement on the Linn website may be of concern:

"Next-generation Klimax DSM completes the Linn DSM family line-up of Klimax DSM, Selekt DSM and Majik DSM"
Yes, I am sure they will ditch the Akurate line.

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