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Hello,

this is my first post in this forum.

I am enthusiastic about the many interesting, very helpful information and the friendly and helpful posts here. I think I've read almost all the posts. Just great. Many many thanks!

After living with naim for about 20 years, I went to Linn about a year ago. I just wanted to listen to less and less music with the new Naims. I was frustrated. I didn't make the naims sing. I liked the olive naims but the black naims ...?
About a year ago I heard a small Linn set compared to a Naim set. I was immediately impressed by linn. So much more musical! (But somehow I found Naim better in terms of sound).

Now I'm listening to:
LP12 from 95
Trampoline 1
Lingo 1
Akito 2
AT-VM 95E

Linn Majik DSM3
Linn Majik 140 with stands

Digital:
Fritz.Box 7590
netgear T108GS -200
micro connect lan cable

I mostly used tidal for digital. It was good but I wasn't really happy. The lp12 is so much more fun. I kept experimenting. Digital has to be better. Yesterday I used 2 USB sticks with EAC wav rips in the fritz.box router as a Nas / Server. It sounded terrible but I immediately heard that it was more musical. I heard song after song I sang the songs. Everything was so much more interesting and musically understandable. I was moving to the rhythm of the music and it was a long evening with a lot of music.

I let music run all night. Today it no longer sounds terrible but very pleasant and very musical. The burn in did a good job. Fine.

I will say goodbye to tidal. Music from the Nas / fritz.box server is much better.
Next week i will borrow a naim uniti serve for testing.
Music from hard disk vs. Tidal / quobuz. Who has had similar experiences?

I need your advice. I'm facing a decision.
Buy a Karousel and check the bearings of the Akito2 at linn or sell my 95 LP12 and buy a new Majik LP12?
I like my LP12. It looks beautiful in black ash with the beautiful Akito2 tonearm. The new Majik LP12 doesn't look that nice. But musical / tonal? Which one is better? What is your advice?

I'm looking forward to your messages.
Have a pleasant time.

best regards
Eli

P.S: Sorry for my english. I use google translator.
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A few more information about my rig.

The LP12 stands on a white Ikea Axamo table - the LP12 table legend.

The electronics are on 2 Naim / Phonosophie racks.

Use an old simple power block. Before that I had an extra power line with Phonosophie silver fuse and naim powerblock. Now FI fuse. It sounded better before but was much less musical. Listening to music is more fun for me now.

With the help from the forum and tunedem the M140 are in the best place I could find so far. The 140 are on skeets. I use K 200 (cut 400) built by Fredrik. Great work, thanks again Fredrik.

A few weeks ago I changed the switch from cisco C 2960 to netgear T108GS-200. Netgear works much better for me.
Then I switched from a small Fritz.box to a large 7590. A big improvement also in terms of sound. For tidal / quobuz it was a big upgrade.
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here is my thoughts:
I would probably buy a new Majik LP12 and make sure you buy enough upgrades like Trampolin or Kore with it to lift you over the limit which gives you a Karousel for free.
Than you can move the things which you would like to keep from your old LP12 to the Majik (like the arm cable if its a grey one, like the Akito arm if its better than the current Majik one) and sell the old LP12 with the new Karousel which you got for free.
That should make you get a new LP12 with Karousel and compensate your investment.
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Interesting idea. Thank you!
It would probably be better to sell the old lingo with the old LP12. The Lingo is now very old and the new Majik motor control is probably better ...?
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yes the old lingo is getting old now - the new majik one could be on par but I have never compared them to give you an evidence based idea - however the Majik one gives you only 33 1/3 speed but not 45
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Noooo!!

At this time all new LP12s, even Majik level, should come with factory installed Karousel. There is no need to load up a Majik just to get a free karousel unless you want a second one.

If your dealer offers you a Cirkus LP12 that means it is old stock. Ask for a massive discount - at least enough to cover the cost of a new Karousel - or shop elsewhere.
Defender wrote: 2020-06-01 10:42 here is my thoughts:
I would probably buy a new Majik LP12 and make sure you buy enough upgrades like Trampolin or Kore with it to lift you over the limit which gives you a Karousel for free.
Than you can move the things which you would like to keep from your old LP12 to the Majik (like the arm cable if its a grey one, like the Akito arm if its better than the current Majik one) and sell the old LP12 with the new Karousel which you got for free.
That should make you get a new LP12 with Karousel and compensate your investment.
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Also keep in mind that the Majik is 33 rpm only.

I’d advise you to do the sums. Add up the cost of your preferred upgrades and compare that to the price of a new LP12., less the value of your existing kit.
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Diogenes wrote: 2020-06-02 16:26 Noooo!!

At this time all new LP12s, even Majik level, should come with factory installed Karousel. There is no need to load up a Majik just to get a free karousel unless you want a second one.
I think you misunderstood what I wrote - of course the new Majik LP12 comes with a new Karousel and if the value of the buy is high enough you get a Karousel for free ... not to use with the new Majik as that already has one but to leverage the value of his original LP12 when he is selling it. However of course he has to do the maths if that makes economic sense.
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A Majik LP12 all by itself should be enough to get a free Karousel. It is in the US and I read about someone who did it in the UK so I assume it is the same everywhere else. So you would get a new Karousel but then you would have a Majik LP12 to deal with. An Akito 2 is a better arm than the Majik arm and a properly operating Lingo 1 is a better power supply than the Majik PS. So it you like your current table I'm not sure that is the way to go unless you want a second one. Obviously you won't get the money back out of the Majik LP12 that you put in. If you have that kind of cash (or credit) laying around you would be better off to buy a Radikal to replace the Lingo 1 and get a free Karousel with that. The Radikal costs close to the same as a Majik LP12 (a little less here) and will give you a very large musical improvement. Then you can see what you can get for the Lingo 1, although it won't be a lot.
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@ Thomas
The Radikal was also my first consideration. A very appealing idea.
The funds are unfortunately limited. The Radikal would cost me a lot more than the other two variants. I would also like to send my Akito2 to Linn for the bearing check (repair?). Unfortunately, the gray cable preferred here is not on the Akito 2. It's a thin black one with bad plugs. I would also like to change this cable.
But I also think Radikal is the biggest improvement. I don't know yet what I'm going to do.

A few questions to the torque specialists.
Do you have the torque settings please?
What is the right torque to attach a Krystal to the Ekos SE1?
What is the correct torque for the fastening screw (VTA) of the Ekos SE1?
I want the information for someone else, unfortunately not for me.
What is the correct torque for the fastening screw (VTA) of the Akito2?
This info is for me. :):)


A little update.
Since yesterday I have been playing a Naim uniti serve as NAS. It sounds very promising and impressive.
I like what the serve does in terms of sound. But I'm still not sure if it is musically better. The Naim serve needs a few more days burn in I think. I will see...
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Hello Eli7,

I generally don't publish specs on the forum but request a PM. This is in great part so that I can make sure people understand that there are variances from driver to driver so you can't use these numbers as gospel. Instead it is best to treat them as starting points and listen to settings a couple of notches above and below these settings to make sure you are at the most musical place. One notch is musically important and in most cases two notches is pretty obvious.

Here are the ones you requested plus another that would be needed when mounting a cartridge to an Ekos SE (although it takes a pretty tine hex head tip).

Krystal to Ekos SE .4Nm -1 notch
Arm height set screw for Ekos SE 1.6Nm +1
Arm cable set screw for Ekos SE .2Nm -4
Arm height set screw for Akito 2 1.6Nm -3
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@Thomas
Thanks for the information!
What is arm cable set screw for Ekos SE?
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if you look at the photos I linked in the grey T-Kable discussion you see a screw which is used to fix the arm cable plug to the arm column and that is the arm cable set scew.
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Yes, the tiny allen head screw in the front bottom of the arm pillar that holds the arm cable plug in place. If it is not tightened down the plug can rattle (some plugs more than others). As there is a torque that sounds best, having it right is worth doing.
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Hi,

I've been living with the Uniti Serve for some time now. I like what it does and really enjoy the music.

I could probably get the Uniti Serve at a great price. But I'm not sure if I should buy it. It is a few years old and also outdated technology. There are also problems finding the cd cover pics.

Maybe it is better to buy an Innous Zen mini 3. What experience has been gained with the Zen Mini? Is it musical? Somehow I trust Naim to be more musical ...
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Eli7 wrote: 2020-06-17 20:21 Hi,

I've been living with the Uniti Serve for some time now. I like what it does and really enjoy the music.

I could probably get the Uniti Serve at a great price. But I'm not sure if I should buy it. It is a few years old and also outdated technology. There are also problems finding the cover.

Maybe it is better to buy an Innous Zen mini 3. What experience has been gained with the Zen Mini? Is it musical? Somehow I trust Naim to be more musical ...
I wasn't convinced by Zen mini, but added the additional power supply, this was much better. No psu, I probably preferred tidal, with psu it went ahead. Naim is good though.
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