Hello Alan!
No, 2.6+5 corresponds to around 2.7 Nm.
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So you torqued the Karousel from the top, letting the Keel take all the pressure?Efraim roots wrote: ↑2020-11-23 01:45 I just removed the platters with the LP12 still on shelf. Then fixed the keel in the corners with cardboard. Then used the torq tool to tighten Karousel bearing to Keel subchassis. Assemble platters and listen. Remove and retighten, assemble again and listen, so on.
Yes I torqued the Karousel from the top, with the keel reasonably fixed in the corners with cardboard. I guess the top plate bolts, grommets and springs took quite some pressure? But It felt alright at these torques. I would be very happy to be corrected if I did something stupid. Maybe you really should do it with trampolin off and holding the keel still from underside?sktn77a wrote: ↑2020-11-23 14:41So you torqued the Karousel from the top, letting the Keel take all the pressure?Efraim roots wrote: ↑2020-11-23 01:45 I just removed the platters with the LP12 still on shelf. Then fixed the keel in the corners with cardboard. Then used the torq tool to tighten Karousel bearing to Keel subchassis. Assemble platters and listen. Remove and retighten, assemble again and listen, so on.
No I did not since ThomasOK said he didn't like that with Keel. I will try some more to find optimal-optimal notch, incredible improvement last night! One advantage to work with your own system is that you can combine fine-tuning by fast tune dems and also long term listening. I often take a few rounds. In the end there is one notch, or one mm that is the best :)
Your preferred setting now is close to Linn's original setting with Keel. They did lower the setting from 4Nm to 3.5Nm and most probably because it sounded better to their ears. I would definitely tried Linn's setting as well to sort that out.Efraim roots wrote: ↑2020-11-23 17:22No I did not since ThomasOK said he didn't like that with Keel. I will try some more to find optimal-optimal notch, incredible improvement last night! One advantage to work with your own system is that you can combine fine-tuning by fast tune dems and also long term listening. I often take a few rounds. In the end there is one notch, or one mm that is the best :)
I know my LP12 very well of course but I have no classic training, if I did something stupid with my method of tightening Karousel, please enlighten me!
Hi Efraim roots,Efraim roots wrote: ↑2020-11-23 17:22No I did not since ThomasOK said he didn't like that with Keel. I will try some more to find optimal-optimal notch, incredible improvement last night! One advantage to work with your own system is that you can combine fine-tuning by fast tune dems and also long term listening. I often take a few rounds. In the end there is one notch, or one mm that is the best :)
I know my LP12 very well of course but I have no classic training, if I did something stupid with my method of tightening Karousel, please enlighten me!
Torquing the Karousel this way does not put undue pressure on the Keel or suspension. I have done it this way quite frequently whether the LP12 is in a jig or on its normal resting place in the system.sktn77a wrote: ↑2020-11-23 14:41So you torqued the Karousel from the top, letting the Keel take all the pressure?Efraim roots wrote: ↑2020-11-23 01:45 I just removed the platters with the LP12 still on shelf. Then fixed the keel in the corners with cardboard. Then used the torq tool to tighten Karousel bearing to Keel subchassis. Assemble platters and listen. Remove and retighten, assemble again and listen, so on.
It's a pity you didn't make any clips of your torque experimenting...Efraim roots wrote: ↑2020-11-24 15:40 Yes I experienced such an improvement with 4.0-3 so I just needed to take a breath :)
Today I tried 4.0-4 which sounded little worse to me. Then I went for 3.6 and it sounded interesting. Went on to 3.4 and it sounded interesting. Then I tried 3.4+4 wich is "pretty much equivalent to 3.5 Nm" as Nicolav said. And I felt YES! It was a big yes, but I was feeling calm :)
Then I logged in to this forum to report and I saw your post Nicolav. Haha, It sound very right indeed! I feel a little frightened in a humble way with this deep dub that's playing in the background right now.
Good news Lejonklou!lejonklou wrote: ↑2020-11-27 18:53 I installed a Karousel today and used Thomas recommended torque of 2.6 Nm +5 steps (~2.7 Nm) for the first time.
Never been this impressed by a Karousel before. I only listened to one album while working with other things, but it repeatedly gripped me.
No comparisons with other torques.
that gives at least some relieve but being more impressed than before does that also lift the Karousel over the Cirkus benchmark in your opinion?lejonklou wrote: ↑2020-11-27 18:53 I installed a Karousel today and used Thomas recommended torque of 2.6 Nm +5 steps (~2.7 Nm) for the first time.
Never been this impressed by a Karousel before. I only listened to one album while working with other things, but it repeatedly gripped me.
No comparisons with other torques.