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Lego wrote: 2021-01-25 11:11 Seems like we're also comparing different iterations.I preferred x as y seemed to stumble when the singing started .That could be because daisy chaining with Y ,have I got that right ?Now I know why I instinctively liked your sound Markit8
I'm not sure what you mean by different iterations but I'll try to clarify. X is the 6 socket extender which plugs directly into the mains duplex wall socket with no lead. It has two sets of connections: the top 3 sockets are joined together and connect to the top socket of the duplex, and the bottom 3 are joined together and connect to the bottom socket of the duplex. Generally accepted practice dictates that all components should be connected to one mains socket, as per rule #4 in the link tpetsch included above. That's what we're listening to in the Y clip.
Defender wrote: 2021-01-25 11:31 X for me too
there seem to be a pattern again with y I seem to hear more details but musicality is compromised
What I hear in the room is a sense of forced pace on Y. It's as if everything is trying to sound fast whether its supposed to be or not. X allows slow music to be slow. On initial impression this can sound sluggish and lacking pace, but I quickly realized it's just bein' real. This aspect has improved with every step of this exercise, so the Revelation was worst and the 6 socket Koppla the best (so far). I have successfully swapped the standard solid core copper wire harness from Integrity into Revelation but I'm waiting on the delivery of some ground screws that were missing, so that's something to look forward to.

In the mean time, here's a fresh round to contemplate:

0: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1a70chcs6gxpn ... 2.MOV?dl=0

8: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88wvxzva4l ... C.MOV?dl=0
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0: is a total mess.

So 8: is the better one -for me- in this match up.
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tpetsch wrote: 2021-01-26 05:43 0: is a total mess.
I like a total mess. It makes it easier for me to enjoy the music............. :-).
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tpetsch wrote: 2021-01-26 05:43 0: is a total mess.

So 8: is the better one -for me- in this match up.
Could you clarify what you mean by total mess in tune-dem parlance .It sounded really good to me.8 sounded more bland .So I'm going with 0
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0 for me.

Fits together nicely to my ears.
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0 for me, much better ... just music ...

8 have some kind of nervous ... you know what I mean ...

... and yes, for Phil ...
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0 for me
8 is in the face
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markiteight wrote: 2021-01-26 04:15
.. here's a fresh round to contemplate:
Not so sure about either of these, but 0 did nothing for me; felt more fulPhiled with 8.
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Lego wrote: 2021-01-26 08:46
tpetsch wrote: 2021-01-26 05:43 0: is a total mess.

So 8: is the better one -for me- in this match up.
Could you clarify what you mean by total mess in tune-dem parlance .It sounded really good to me.8 sounded more bland .So I'm going with 0
No one was playing together, was the band just warming up on the 0 take? ...I couldn't make out the tune at first on 0.
And then when playing 8 the tune & flow of the music made perfect sense -to me.
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tpetsch wrote: 2021-01-26 18:52 No one was playing together... on 0.
After playing 8 the tune & flow of the music made ... sense -to me.
That's how I heard it too: I found 0 disjointed... not sure I'd call 8 'perfect' though, but definitely better than 0 -to me. (too)
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tokenbrit wrote: 2021-01-26 19:09
tpetsch wrote: 2021-01-26 18:52 No one was playing together... on 0.
After playing 8 the tune & flow of the music made ... sense -to me.
That's how I heard it too: I found 0 disjointed... not sure I'd call 8 'perfect' though, but definitely better than 0 -to me. (too)
Right, should have said, ...Made perfect sense when judged in the comparison of these two.
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tokenbrit wrote: 2021-01-26 14:14
markiteight wrote: 2021-01-26 04:15
.. here's a fresh round to contemplate:
Not so sure about either of these, but 0 did nothing for me; felt more fulPhiled with 8.
I'm with tokenbrit and tpetsch on this. Mark it 8 for me. Neither is wonderful but 0 doesn't get it.
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ThomasOK wrote: 2021-01-26 22:22
tokenbrit wrote: 2021-01-26 14:14
markiteight wrote: 2021-01-26 04:15
.. here's a fresh round to contemplate:
Not so sure about either of these, but 0 did nothing for me; felt more fulPhiled with 8.
I'm with tokenbrit and tpetsch on this. Mark it 8 for me. Neither is wonderful but 0 doesn't get it.
You three best watch yourselves. Team Zero might pull a gun on you.
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So we have our first split of the series. This doesn't surprise me as the differences weren't as significant in this round as they were in prior pairs, but in the room it's an easier choice: 8 gets me closer to the music than 0.

0 was this.

8 was the 6 socket Koppla again.

Since that comparison I've replaced the wall socket. It had to be done. The old one was so loose the 6 socket Koppla would fall out under the weight of the 4 leads connected to it! I don't think this invalidates the previous results as we're only focusing on the relative differences between two clips, but it is now even more important to resist any temptation there might be to compare what's to come with what has been. And with that lets make a slight detour:

Without: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bgmcvn29jvcgv ... 1.MOV?dl=0

With: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p4kv3vtnmf9tz ... 1.MOV?dl=0
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Ok, I went back and forth half a dozen times on these two, tough one. But if I had to choose I'd go with "Without" as "I" believe it flows better musically and hits the mark ever so slightly better than "With"which seems more full sounding.

And a little crazy about that new Wiremold strip, have heard many fine sounding systems over the years hooked up with Wiremolds. Those Ikea strips might turn out to be the happy mistake of the century -pretty sure sound was never a consideration when designed- for us Hi-Fi tweakers.
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Both were bonnie...

I found myself listening to 'with', thinking this sounds good, but I was simply enjoying 'without' without any effort... I could live with with but I'd prefer not to be without without.
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markiteight wrote: 2021-01-28 03:38 And with that lets make a slight detour:

Without: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bgmcvn29jvcgv ... 1.MOV?dl=0

With: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p4kv3vtnmf9tz ... 1.MOV?dl=0
I instantly recognized the song on "without" but thought, it sounds very sluggish. Then I played "with" and my reaction was: that's more like it.
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markiteight wrote: 2021-01-28 03:38And with that lets make a slight detour:

Without: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bgmcvn29jvcgv ... 1.MOV?dl=0

With: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p4kv3vtnmf9tz ... 1.MOV?dl=0
I find this a difficult one. There's something natural and "just right" in the progression of 'without', but it's also sluggish compared to 'with'.

Not sure I can say which one I prefer.
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I couldn’t say whether I prefer with or without Audiophile Dust™️ on the power strip...
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"Without" for me.
The singing is more expressive. I am touched emotionally and my body moves to the music.
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lejonklou wrote: 2021-01-28 13:26 I find this a difficult one. There's something natural and "just right" in the progression of 'without', but it's also sluggish compared to 'with'.

Not sure I can say which one I prefer.
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markiteight wrote: 2021-01-28 03:38 So we have our first split of the series. This doesn't surprise me as the differences weren't as significant in this round as they were in prior pairs, but in the room it's an easier choice: 8 gets me closer to the music than 0.

0 was this.

8 was the 6 socket Koppla again.

Since that comparison I've replaced the wall socket. It had to be done. The old one was so loose the 6 socket Koppla would fall out under the weight of the 4 leads connected to it! I don't think this invalidates the previous results as we're only focusing on the relative differences between two clips, but it is now even more important to resist any temptation there might be to compare what's to come with what has been. And with that lets make a slight detour:

Without: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bgmcvn29jvcgv ... 1.MOV?dl=0

With: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p4kv3vtnmf9tz ... 1.MOV?dl=0
With hits the notes better and seems less rushed ,I prefer with
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Hmmm. They are pretty close but I prefer with. It seems to me to move better. But you used the wrong song for it:

Down (down, down, down, down)
And out (out, out, out, out)
It can't be helped that there's a lot of it about
With (with, with, with), without
And who'll deny it's what the fighting's all about?

And it's one of my all time favorite songs.

https://youtu.be/GKiLEgAzFDQ
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"and everything under the sun is in tune
but the sun is eclipsed by the moon."

This is a tough one, isn't it? I picked this song specifically because it's down tempo and illustrates a point I made earlier about the music's pace often sounding forced or exaggerated and that the more musical the system the more natural its portrayal of rhythm 'n pace.

To me 'without' is okay with the music being slow and lets it be slow. 'With' seems to want to push the pace in a subtly exaggerated way, as if the drummer did a line before laying down the track.* This would be a problem if 'without' continued to sound slow/sluggish on all music, but it doesn't. Of course it's impossible for you to know this based on one pair of clips so it doesn't surprise me that some of you preferred 'with'. So lets try again. Same comparison, but this time correcting a grievous error as pointed out by Tom:

Us: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1tx0pcoo6egyg ... A.MOV?dl=0

Them: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jurdoa70wa1fc ... 2.MOV?dl=0

n.b. I managed to find a Wiremold L10320 so we should soon know where it falls in the scheme of things.

*It's entirely possible that's true. It was the '80s after all.
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Still a tough one. Overall I like Them better as Us sounds a bit too smoothed over. Them can sound a bit aggressive at times but I find I can hear what the players are doing better and follow the flow more. Could I possibly have a half scoop of each, blended?
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