ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
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ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
Good news for lovers of ECM records:
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Matt
MBP / Exposure pre + power (both modified) / JBL3677
MBP / Exposure pre + power (both modified) / JBL3677
Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
Many thanks for the information !
It was one of my only frustrations with Qobuz... now gone...
All the best,
JF
It was one of my only frustrations with Qobuz... now gone...
All the best,
JF
Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
Hi JF,
you are welcome.
BTW, did you compare Tidal and Qobuz regarding SQ?
Some say Qobuz is superior.
Matt
you are welcome.
BTW, did you compare Tidal and Qobuz regarding SQ?
Some say Qobuz is superior.
Matt
Matt
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Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
Great news, thanks for info! Lots of Keith Jarrett now on Tidal.
Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
Hi Matt,
> BTW, did you compare Tidal and Qobuz regarding SQ?
> Some say Qobuz is superior.
I am very happy with the SQ of Qobuz especially with the Sublime+ option which offers to stream in HD for an ever increasing part of their catalogue. I did not compare with Tidal extensively as the catalogue of Qobuz better fits my musical taste. I did not subscribe to Tidal after the test period. Nevertheless, when streaming CD quality both services should be equally good (my guess is that they should send the same files).
All the best,
JF
> BTW, did you compare Tidal and Qobuz regarding SQ?
> Some say Qobuz is superior.
I am very happy with the SQ of Qobuz especially with the Sublime+ option which offers to stream in HD for an ever increasing part of their catalogue. I did not compare with Tidal extensively as the catalogue of Qobuz better fits my musical taste. I did not subscribe to Tidal after the test period. Nevertheless, when streaming CD quality both services should be equally good (my guess is that they should send the same files).
All the best,
JF
Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
Yes, that is what I thought too when high resolution streaming started.jraskin wrote:Nevertheless, when streaming CD quality both services should be equally good (my guess is that they should send the same files)
Unfortunately that is not the case at all. Sound quality varies a lot between services. In addition there's also variation over time from the same service. For instance, if you play a song from Tidal at 7 pm and then play it again at 8 pm, sound quality can be either better, worse or the same.
Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
This sounds like black magic to me. Why would they send random different files across time ? If the files are the same, they should sound the same, right ?For instance, if you play a song from Tidal at 7 pm and then play it again at 8 pm, sound quality can be either better, worse or the same.
As I said, I am using Qobuz (and not Tidal) and I do not experience any variation in SQ along time. But yes, my hability to listen carefully or not to the music varies across time: this is usually due to my mood, my tiredness, or if I have had some wine or not ;-)
But who knows... they may play some trick to compensate temporary lack of bandwith on their side and send you some lossy compressed file versions when required to keep serving everybody. Qobuz does not seem to play this game.
All the best,
JF
Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
I read a lot on forums like Computeraudiophile and there are some contributors who prefer the SQ of Quobuz to Tidal but none so far vice versa.
I like that Qobuz does not work together with Roon and MQA and that they offer real high-res up to 24/192.
Matt
I like that Qobuz does not work together with Roon and MQA and that they offer real high-res up to 24/192.
Matt
Matt
MBP / Exposure pre + power (both modified) / JBL3677
MBP / Exposure pre + power (both modified) / JBL3677
Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
Regarding the merits of Tidal and Qobuz I had the chance to compare recently given a free trial of the new tier of Qobuz hi res streaming.
I have had Tidal for quite sometime and thoroughly enjoy it. I have no facility to play their MQA so no debate here.
I couldn't wait to have all these lovely files in Hi Res and to test against Tidal, allowing me to know that for an extra £5 a month I would be quids in.
The upshot, I'm staying with Tidal.
I couldn't believe it either but although Qobuz sounded great and more detailed than its 16/44 counterpart (as you would expect)it simply was less musical. I just couldn't ignore it no matter how much I wanted to. Indeed on some tracks it was quite depressing how much it lagged behind Tidal in tunedem, Don't stop till you get enough being case in point.
Anyone else share their thoughts different or otherwise?
I have had Tidal for quite sometime and thoroughly enjoy it. I have no facility to play their MQA so no debate here.
I couldn't wait to have all these lovely files in Hi Res and to test against Tidal, allowing me to know that for an extra £5 a month I would be quids in.
The upshot, I'm staying with Tidal.
I couldn't believe it either but although Qobuz sounded great and more detailed than its 16/44 counterpart (as you would expect)it simply was less musical. I just couldn't ignore it no matter how much I wanted to. Indeed on some tracks it was quite depressing how much it lagged behind Tidal in tunedem, Don't stop till you get enough being case in point.
Anyone else share their thoughts different or otherwise?
LP12, Lingo 3, Cirkus/Kore, Tramp 2, Basik Plus Ania, Linto
Majik Ds, Kisto, Tundra 2.0, Majik 109
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Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
Thanks for reporting.Discodave wrote: ↑2019-04-21 20:36 Regarding the merits of Tidal and Qobuz I had the chance to compare recently given a free trial of the new tier of Qobuz hi res streaming.
I have had Tidal for quite sometime and thoroughly enjoy it. I have no facility to play their MQA so no debate here.
I couldn't wait to have all these lovely files in Hi Res and to test against Tidal, allowing me to know that for an extra £5 a month I would be quids in.
The upshot, I'm staying with Tidal.
I couldn't believe it either but although Qobuz sounded great and more detailed than its 16/44 counterpart (as you would expect)it simply was less musical. I just couldn't ignore it no matter how much I wanted to. Indeed on some tracks it was quite depressing how much it lagged behind Tidal in tunedem, Don't stop till you get enough being case in point.
Anyone else share their thoughts different or otherwise?
Just for clarification, did you compare Redbook Qobuz vs. Redbook Tidal?
Matt
Matt
MBP / Exposure pre + power (both modified) / JBL3677
MBP / Exposure pre + power (both modified) / JBL3677
Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
No I didn't unfortunately. Meant to add my streamer is Majik Ds. So I can only imagine the difference if compared with a more musical streamer.
LP12, Lingo 3, Cirkus/Kore, Tramp 2, Basik Plus Ania, Linto
Majik Ds, Kisto, Tundra 2.0, Majik 109
Majik Ds, Kisto, Tundra 2.0, Majik 109
Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
From your report I had the impression you compared high-res Qobuz vs. Redbook Tidal and found Tidal more musical. Correct?
Matt
Matt
MBP / Exposure pre + power (both modified) / JBL3677
MBP / Exposure pre + power (both modified) / JBL3677
Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
Absolutely correct Matt
LP12, Lingo 3, Cirkus/Kore, Tramp 2, Basik Plus Ania, Linto
Majik Ds, Kisto, Tundra 2.0, Majik 109
Majik Ds, Kisto, Tundra 2.0, Majik 109
Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
Do you think you can repeat the comparison with RB Q vs. RB T?
Sometimes the high-res. files are differently mastered.
Matt
Matt
MBP / Exposure pre + power (both modified) / JBL3677
MBP / Exposure pre + power (both modified) / JBL3677
Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
Unfortunately free trial has run out so I can't
LP12, Lingo 3, Cirkus/Kore, Tramp 2, Basik Plus Ania, Linto
Majik Ds, Kisto, Tundra 2.0, Majik 109
Majik Ds, Kisto, Tundra 2.0, Majik 109
Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
I would have thought that different mastering would only effect overall sound. Can it effect musicality too?
LP12, Lingo 3, Cirkus/Kore, Tramp 2, Basik Plus Ania, Linto
Majik Ds, Kisto, Tundra 2.0, Majik 109
Majik Ds, Kisto, Tundra 2.0, Majik 109
Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
In your comparison you compare both HR vs. RB and Qobuz vs. Tidal at once.
So I think you can not get a valid result regarding Q vs. T.
Better comparisons:
Qobuz HR vs. Qobuz RB
Tidal RB vs. Qobuz RB
But sometimes HR is upsampled from RB etc.......
Matt
Matt
MBP / Exposure pre + power (both modified) / JBL3677
MBP / Exposure pre + power (both modified) / JBL3677
Re: ECM records start streaming via Tidal, Qobuz etc.
Aha ok.
LP12, Lingo 3, Cirkus/Kore, Tramp 2, Basik Plus Ania, Linto
Majik Ds, Kisto, Tundra 2.0, Majik 109
Majik Ds, Kisto, Tundra 2.0, Majik 109