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Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-04 11:04
by beck
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-04 12:19
by Charlie1
For me, the music literally sounds a bit sat upon (over damped/compressed) with the LP12 in situ, and It breaths better without it, like taking a sigh of relief - probably how you'd feel if you'd had an LP12 sat on you for the past 5 years :D
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-04 12:33
by beck
Charlie1 wrote: ↑2023-02-04 12:19
For me, the music literally sounds a bit sat upon (over damped/compressed) with the LP12 in situ, and It breaths better without it, like taking a sigh of relief - probably how you'd feel if you'd had an LP12 sat on you for the past 5 years :D
Yes it is quite interesting though I enjoy the “sat on” sound and would not choose otherwise…….
This might open up a new can of worms……. Oh, no, more experiments. :-)
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-04 13:29
by lejonklou
I agree with Charlie1 that the music breathes better without the LP12 on top.
It sounds the way it looks.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-04 14:28
by matthias
Another vote for the CD player being not the sherpa for the LP12
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-04 15:17
by beck
Thank you for listening gentlemen! :-)
The cheap CD player sounds too confused on its own so further experiments are needed.
Food for thought indeed.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-04 19:44
by Whatsmynaim
"I have promised Whatsmynaim this comparison"
Only for me? Aww thanks ;)
I'm glad you tried it and the outcome is what I expected. it sounds the best with nothing on top of it.
As of now the music comes off as overly damped with an LP12 on its back ..On the other hand it probably brings order to more chaotic or faster paced songs so I can understand why you like it.
Where to go from here? I bet you'll figure it out :)
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-04 19:51
by ThomasOK
I think this might be the first time I've thought a system sounded more musical without an LP12, but...
Maybe a different topper, but I much more enjoyed without than with in this case. I'm with the rest here. Nice piece of music.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-04 23:52
by Charlie1
Whatsmynaim wrote: ↑2023-02-04 19:44
I bet you'll figure it out :)
Yes, me too! :)
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-05 10:03
by beck
Charlie1 wrote: ↑2023-02-04 23:52
Whatsmynaim wrote: ↑
I bet you'll figure it out :)
Yes, me too! :)
A small preliminary investigation show me that a small amount of damping on top of the CD player will do the trick or I might even end up with nothing when the setup has settled. :-)
Listening to Rachmaninov solo piano and loving it.
The Sondek is simply too much. Thank you all!
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-05 23:59
by Whatsmynaim
Nice job beck!
We obviously don't have the same player but you can try this. It's quickly done and can work better than any kind of damping item put on top. It did for me at least.
Torquing of the screws that's holding the cover/top lid in place:
First loosen all the screws and then turn each screw till they stop. Don't apply any more force after that. Now listen to the result. If you make adjustments make sure each screw is being tightened the same. Good luck!
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-06 10:31
by beck
Whatsmynaim wrote: ↑2023-02-05 23:59
Nice job beck!
We obviously don't have the same player but you can try this. It's quickly done and can work better than any kind of damping item put on top. It did for me at least.
Torquing of the screws that's holding the cover/top lid in place:
First loosen all the screws and then turn each screw till they stop. Don't apply any more force after that. Now listen to the result. If you make adjustments make sure each screw is being tightened the same. Good luck!
The setup only had to settle. No damping needed. Thank you for pushing me in the right direction.
My CD replay is now full of “life”. :-)
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-06 19:27
by matthias
Whatsmynaim wrote: ↑2023-02-05 23:59
First loosen all the screws and then turn each screw till they stop. Don't apply any more force after that. Now listen to the result. If you make adjustments make sure each screw is being tightened the same. Good luck!
I did exactly the same with the screws for the PCB of my preamp.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-06 23:37
by Spannko
Whatsmynaim wrote: ↑2023-02-04 19:44
I'm glad you tried it and the outcome is what I expected. it sounds the best with nothing on top of it.
As of now the music comes off as overly damped with an LP12 on its back ..On the other hand it probably brings order to more chaotic or faster paced songs so I can understand why you like it.
My thoughts too. Unfortunately, it’s something which happens to nearly everyone at one point or another: we take our eye off the music ball for just a second, and suddenly we find ourselves seduced by the sound which drags us into a downward spiral until at some point we realise music isn’t fun anymore. I’m glad you’ve found your way back onto the right track beck!
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-08 12:50
by beck
Spannko wrote: ↑2023-02-06 23:37
Whatsmynaim wrote: ↑
I'm glad you tried it and the outcome is what I expected. it sounds the best with nothing on top of it.
As of now the music comes off as overly damped with an LP12 on its back ..On the other hand it probably brings order to more chaotic or faster paced songs so I can understand why you like it.
My thoughts too. Unfortunately, it’s something which happens to nearly everyone at one point or another: we take our eye off the music ball for just a second, and suddenly we find ourselves seduced by the sound which drags us into a downward spiral until at some point we realise music isn’t fun anymore. I’m glad you’ve found your way back onto the right track beck!
I am home safe now. :-)
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-09 09:27
by beck
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-09 18:06
by ThomasOK
I didn't do a comparison but the new clip is sounding good!
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-09 20:02
by Charlie1
Yes, I like it too, as well as your new signature clip.
As you've constantly improved your setup I'm now wondering if those speakers are a bit too much for the room. Just putting it out there as I'm really not sure. And it's nothing to do with the bass. Or could be the volume is too high and I'm just hearing too much of the room - I think you get a truer impression of the room if you focus on getting a clean recording and then let the end device provide the volume and some of the dynamics.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-09 22:19
by beck
Charlie1 wrote: ↑2023-02-09 20:02
Yes, I like it too, as well as your new signature clip.
As you've constantly improved your setup I'm now wondering if those speakers are a bit too much for the room. Just putting it out there as I'm really not sure. And it's nothing to do with the bass. Or could be the volume is too high and I'm just hearing too much of the room - I think you get a truer impression of the room if you focus on getting a clean recording and then let the end device provide the volume and some of the dynamics.
No problem in pointing out that I play music loud. :-) I do and I like it that way. The most important thing is that one can hear the changes.
If (when) I post again I will take your suggestion into consideration. :-)
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-09 22:33
by Charlie1
Cool, I like loud music too!
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-10 06:36
by matthias
beck wrote: ↑2023-02-09 22:19
No problem in pointing out that I play music loud. :-) I do and I like it that way.
I play loud too beck and I like your last clip as it is.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-11 14:07
by Charlie1
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-11 15:18
by beck
On a quick listen I preferred the second clip…………. and now on a longer listen I prefer the first clip. :-)
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-11 16:53
by ThomasOK
They don't seem all that different to me but I prefer the first clip. It seems to have a bit more life to it.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2023-02-11 17:04
by tokenbrit
Initially thought the 2nd**, then the 1st*... so, both :) At least it's not neither ;)
** felt like a bit more body/weight to it...
* a bit softer but more engaging insight :?