David Neel wrote: ↑2020-09-09 19:56 Aarghh! You have my full sympathy. A few years ago I bought a new set of kitchen knives, and made the mistake of trying to catch one that I dropped.
The second time I dropped one I stepped back and it fell to the floor...

Never catch a falling knife. Technical Analysis 101.

FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2020-09-11 12:30 I found it very striking how devoid of ringing that case was after damping. And also that Cambridge Audio use damping beneath the transport.

Anything I can do to improve my streamers I'll try - within reason :-)

I am not sure that the word damping is the right word to use regarding what I seek. Maybe it is more about getting everything to vibrate the same way avoiding individual parts working against each other creating disturbance in the system..........

beck wrote: ↑2020-09-11 15:58 I am not sure that the word damping is the right word to use regarding what I seek. Maybe it is more about getting everything to vibrate the same way avoiding individual parts working against each other creating disturbance in the system..........

I understand you but even underneath the CD transport?

I might at some point tweak either of my universal players.

I see damping as an extension of torquing and like torquing it's possible to go too far.
..and I wouldn't fill a player with damping material like they did in the video. One needs to be delicate like Beck and do it in steps and listen every time if it's actually an improvement.

He's onto something with not removing all vibrations at all costs but fine tuning the parts so everything in
the player is working together. If a singer in a choir is doing a bad job you don't correct the whole choir.

Whatsmynaim wrote: ↑2020-09-11 17:34 One needs to be delicate like Beck and do it in steps and listen every time if it's actually an improvement.

That goes without saying ;-)

..Well true. I'm starting to state the obvious. It's bound to happen in these repeated discussions ;)
Also the feeling of déjà vu from writing basically the same thing over and over. For me at least.

Whatsmynaim wrote: ↑2020-09-11 19:11 ..Well true. I'm starting to state the obvious. It's bound to happen in these repeated discussions ;)
Also the feeling of déjà vu from writing basically the same thing over and over. For me at least.

That is not as bad as me recording the same music over and over again! :-)


I am not under the illusion that I understand anything of what is going on. The only thing I know is that it is very hard to get digital right when it comes to reproducing recorded music.

Luckily I can use my ears and compare with analog so that is my plan now and in the future. :-)



To those who think they need special golden ears to do what we do here think again. All you need is to trust yourself, your own ears and how much you enjoy the music coming from your system.

Defender wrote: ↑2020-09-11 11:00

beck wrote: ↑2020-09-11 10:37 Don Henley once again:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cxe113iidb72i ... 7.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4an53b7zzqrjj ... 3.MOV?dl=0


My take is that the cd version is now good enough for me to get the “rocky” feeling.

I agree with you to 100% - I was surprised that I was hearing the CD version when I opened my eyes to check if A is CD or LP12.
I still like the LP12 more even though the CD might sound more „rocky“ - the LP12 is better in total.
Big achievement.

I fully agree with Defender ... it was unbelievable is it CD or LP12 ... GREAT ...

Whatsmynaim wrote: ↑2020-09-11 17:34 I see damping as an extension of torquing and like torquing it's possible to go too far.
..and I wouldn't fill a player with damping material like they did in the video. One needs to be delicate like Beck and do it in steps and listen every time if it's actually an improvement.

He's onto something with not removing all vibrations at all costs but fine tuning the parts so everything in
the player is working together. If a singer in a choir is doing a bad job you don't correct the whole choir.

+1, especially on ... "One needs to be delicate like Beck and do it in steps and listen every time if it's actually an improvement." ...

I haven't listened to the Henley piece yet, but the piano piece was easily better, more forceful and moving along nicely. I'm pretty amazed buy the sound you are getting out of that old, $500 CD player. As I was listening the bass came in and then the music stopped. I thought "Why did the music stop?" Oh, it's the end of the clip! Doesn't happen to me that much with digital sources, that says plenty.

ThomasOK wrote: ↑2020-09-12 16:35 ......... but the piano piece was easily better, more forceful and moving along nicely. I'm pretty amazed buy the sound you are getting out of that old, $500 CD player.

Me too Thomas.

I think of the task for the cd player as being kind of similar to 3d printing (let’s say a cup). If the layers are printed in an invironment where each part of the printer vibrates differently you will get a cup that is less tall and not nice and smooth but rugged and with an uneven surface.

Then think of each note being played as a creation of multiple layers of “print”. Now it is easy to understand that all the layers have to be printed precisely “on top of each other” to create a real dense tone or drumbeat for that matter.

Maybe this is just another description of jitter.....

I like the analogy.

The Don Henley clips are good. Definitely doesn't have any boring digital sound to it.

Yes, the Don Henley clips are good, but I definitely prefer the LP (what a surprise).

I find it a bit ironic and also fascinating that I in my first post starting this thread wrote the following:

“ Even equipment that is not exactly producing "in tune" music can be rectified to a certain degree using Tune Dem.”

Little did I know what was to come.......

Well, my cd player was on it’s way out of the door when I wrote it and now it is my main source for playing recorded music in my home! :-)

Lingo connected and turned on:

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Lingo disconnected:

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Which do you prefer (and why)?




I am close, I can smell it. :-)

Difficult but I have a slight preference for the second clip. I can just relax a wee bit more and it makes a little more sense to me.

Charlie1 wrote: ↑2020-09-22 09:50 Difficult but I have a slight preference for the second clip. I can just relax a wee bit more and it makes a little more sense to me.

Ekstra, ekstra...just in!

The third option -

Linto connected and turned on:

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I like your third option.
On these three sets I think Mark is making his best performance i option three

I prefer the options in the following order, from best to worst.

1. Linto connected
2. Lingo disconnected
3. Lingo connected

The results of your experiments appear to be mirroring mine, and is a great example of the damage a Lingo can inflict (on some systems), as Naim and many Naim owners have said ever since it came out.

I’ve noticed that my diy power supply improves the Netgear smps even when the Netgear is plugged into another circuit. I’ve not mentioned it because I’ve been lead to believe that it shouldn’t happen, and if it does, it’s due to poor design! (Poor design makes HiFi sound better? Hmm, I need to think about that one!).

Just listened to the Linto clip. Still have a slight preference for Lingo disconnected although these two are closer together than Lingo connected which seemed even worse tonight.

Charlie1 wrote: ↑2020-09-22 23:54 Just listened to the Linto clip. Still have a slight preference for Lingo disconnected although these two are closer together than Lingo connected which seemed even worse tonight.

I can actually hear what you hear but with the Linto connected and turned on I get that missing dense feeling so my next move will be to experiment with different power cables connected to the Linto! :-)

......and after all this I end here:

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You can compare to my second clip (charlie1’s favorite):

B) Link removed

Both cables in clip A hanging from Lingo and Linto loosely so they make no electrical contact.


Thank you for your help. Using this forum has been essential to get where I am now (and feel free to disagree as always). :-)

B gets a better Mark for me...

tokenbrit wrote: ↑2020-09-24 12:58 B gets a better Mark for me...

Great to hear from you tokenbrit. Everything is in order again as we disagree. :-)

Indeed, beck. Indeed 😄 Except I usually disagree with Charlie1 too... 🤔

Both clips sounded very good. I just felt closer to the clam bake with B... 😋