ThomasOK wrote: ↑2020-03-28 20:52 .. I briefly tried listening to the first two clips with the Rega but after five seconds each of being shouted at gave it up.

Glad it wasn't just me - just thought it was my regular reaction to amplification that must not be Naim'd... Warming to the 160 tho' (but would still prefer to hear a Tundra ;)

Linto here too

What happens when you get TuneDem wrong:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwNGR792Ifk

markiteight wrote: ↑2020-03-29 10:54 What happens when you get TuneDem wrong:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwNGR792Ifk

:-)))
Than you have to go one step up and use Tune Method.

markiteight wrote: ↑2020-03-29 10:54 What happens when you get TuneDem wrong:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwNGR792Ifk

Being Rick rolled doesn't seem nearly so bad now... ;)

Thanks for the feedback!

Now I have made some new adjustments.

Leonard Cohen 1:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n6rphisqj8a20 ... 0.mov?dl=0
Leonard Cohen 2:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rolrjb2qvlo6n ... 6.mov?dl=0


Rosanne Cash 1:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/95uvlmcmgh4ts ... 1.mov?dl=0

Rosanne Cash 2:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ube0ws6sx7a9t ... 9.mov?dl=0

First of all, what a great system you have there kallesprätt 👍

I’m going to go for No1. Even though on the LC track the bass doesn’t seem so well controlled as No2, generally it feels more musical to me.

I kind of agree with Spannko. If I had to live with either of these two options for a long time I think 1 would be the one.
I like some of the changes that 2 introduce but it does not hit a home run.

More work to be done! :-)

kallesprätt wrote: ↑2020-03-30 11:03 Thanks for the feedback!

Now I have made some new adjustments.

Leonard Cohen 1:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n6rphisqj8a20 ... 0.mov?dl=0
Leonard Cohen 2:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rolrjb2qvlo6n ... 6.mov?dl=0


Rosanne Cash 1:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/95uvlmcmgh4ts ... 1.mov?dl=0

Rosanne Cash 2:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ube0ws6sx7a9t ... 9.mov?dl=0

Why is there much less treble in Leonard Cohen 1 than in Leonard Cohen 2?

In any case, of those two I think 1 grips my heart tighter. Sounds really good!

lejonklou wrote: ↑2020-03-30 13:41

kallesprätt wrote: ↑2020-03-30 11:03 Thanks for the feedback!

Now I have made some new adjustments.

Leonard Cohen 1:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n6rphisqj8a20 ... 0.mov?dl=0
Leonard Cohen 2:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rolrjb2qvlo6n ... 6.mov?dl=0


Rosanne Cash 1:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/95uvlmcmgh4ts ... 1.mov?dl=0

Rosanne Cash 2:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ube0ws6sx7a9t ... 9.mov?dl=0

Why is there much less treble in Leonard Cohen 1 than in Leonard Cohen 2?

In any case, of those two I think 1 grips my heart tighter. Sounds really good!

I noticed that too, and wondered if they’d been recorded on different devices.

I preferred track 1 on first clip and track 2 on second clip.

lejonklou wrote: ↑2020-03-30 13:41
Why is there much less treble in Leonard Cohen 1 than in Leonard Cohen 2?

In any case, of those two I think 1 grips my heart tighter. Sounds really good!

Spannko wrote: ↑2020-03-30 15:34
I noticed that too, and wondered if they’d been recorded on different devices.

Thank you again for the feedback.

The clips have been recorded with the same device only minutes apart, the only difference is that i changed polarity of the mains of the whole system between set 1 and 2.

kallesprätt wrote: ↑2020-03-30 11:03
Leonard Cohen 1:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n6rphisqj8a20 ... 0.mov?dl=0
Leonard Cohen 2:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rolrjb2qvlo6n ... 6.mov?dl=0


Rosanne Cash 1:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/95uvlmcmgh4ts ... 1.mov?dl=0

Rosanne Cash 2:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ube0ws6sx7a9t ... 9.mov?dl=0

This is the third version of the same songs.

Leonard Cohen 3:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/406wvrhjo5r1q ... 5.mov?dl=0

Rosanne Cash 3:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z73wum9wwljzz ... 1.mov?dl=0

for the Lejonklou devices you have I would go with Fredriks recommendation to which pin of the plug the phase (hot) should be connected to.
For the rest I would test one after each other - starting with the component closest to the source which is in question.
If you generally switch the whole system you might improve 3 but make 1 or 2 worst.

Defender wrote: ↑2020-03-30 17:41 for the Lejonklou devices you have I would go with Fredriks recommendation to which pin of the plug the phase (hot) should be connected to.
For the rest I would test one after each other - starting with the component closest to the source which is in question.
If you generally switch the whole system you might improve 3 but make 1 or 2 worst.

I felt that something was not right so i tried to switch the whole system to see if things got worse, but in fact Fredrik and others prefered when the system was connected the "wrong" way.

Is the third better or worse than the others?

To me 3 is the best. I find it enjoyable without any obvious flaws........

Third version of both songs is better for me.

beck wrote: ↑2020-03-30 18:04 To me 3 is the best. I find it enjoyable without any obvious flaws........

With that coming from you I must be heading in the right direction, because it’s still digital :-)

:-)

Do not forget I have migrated to cd and are enjoying it!

3rd is best in my opinion even out of memory and not going back to 2nd and 1st ... both songs but more obvious to me in the song from Rosanne Cash

I prefer 3 on the Cohen track too.

I prefer 3 too. Nice ! 😁

3 here as well!

kallesprätt wrote: ↑2020-03-30 17:33

lejonklou wrote: ↑2020-03-30 13:41
Why is there much less treble in Leonard Cohen 1 than in Leonard Cohen 2?

In any case, of those two I think 1 grips my heart tighter. Sounds really good!

Spannko wrote: ↑2020-03-30 15:34
I noticed that too, and wondered if they’d been recorded on different devices.

Thank you again for the feedback.

The clips have been recorded with the same device only minutes apart, the only difference is that i changed polarity of the mains of the whole system between set 1 and 2.

kallesprätt wrote: ↑2020-03-30 11:03
Leonard Cohen 1:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n6rphisqj8a20 ... 0.mov?dl=0
Leonard Cohen 2:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rolrjb2qvlo6n ... 6.mov?dl=0


Rosanne Cash 1:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/95uvlmcmgh4ts ... 1.mov?dl=0

Rosanne Cash 2:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ube0ws6sx7a9t ... 9.mov?dl=0

This is the third version of the same songs.

Leonard Cohen 3:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/406wvrhjo5r1q ... 5.mov?dl=0

Rosanne Cash 3:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z73wum9wwljzz ... 1.mov?dl=0

This is clearly a case of source first.

In the "1" clips the whole system except the LS-Nas had the power cabels connected with reversed polarity and in the "2" clips only the LS-Nas had reversed polarity and still the most of you prefered the "1" clips.
The "3" clips is the same as "2" with the LS-Nas connected the right way. I think that I finally got all the cables sorted out since we moved.

Now it's time to get the LP12 up on the wall.

kallesprätt wrote: ↑2020-03-31 08:55 This is clearly a case of source first.

In the "1" clips the whole system except the LS-Nas had the power cabels connected with reversed polarity and in the "2" clips only the LS-Nas had reversed polarity and still the most of you prefered the "1" clips.
The "3" clips is the same as "2" with the LS-Nas connected the right way. I think that I finally got all the cables sorted out since we moved.

So what we just heard is that the mains phase (polarity) of the NAS matters more than all the other components put together?

Yes!

I recently bought an Oehlbach Phaser, which indicates the correct phase for the appliance that you connect. I went through everything from computer, to router, switch, tv and stereo. It turned out to be a fairly big sound upgrade :-)