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LOL :)

Vaguely normal is perhaps closer
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beck wrote: 2021-06-22 18:19
Charlie1 wrote: 2021-06-22 18:11 I thought this was an improvement recording a new track but listening back I'm not so sure now :(

Normal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yuqkno6ffwpk7 ... 1.mp4?dl=0
Felt: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i2vhijry3amdb ... 0.mp4?dl=0
I just want you to stay Normal. I actually like you that way.......
The clips look like there is felt under the legs on both clips but I do like the first clip better.
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ThomasOK wrote: 2021-06-22 21:57 The clips look like there is felt under the legs on both clips but I do like the first clip better.
Wouldn't put it past me to mix up clips, but I checked and you can just about see the removed felt pads under the white table. They are the same colour as the carpet so difficult to spot.
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I was just looking at the big dark pads under the table legs which looked the same in both clips.
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Charlie1 wrote: 2021-06-22 13:34
Spannko wrote: 2021-06-22 10:34 The spikes/skeets idea is worth persevering with though, it’s definitely got its merits. Different spikes? Different skeet type things? Different materials? Ball bearings? The list is endless!
I'm just intrigued by the fact that the LP12 likes to be decoupled from the floor. Perhaps allowing the legs to be free but changing the surface would help. clearly something heavy is no use, but perhaps something hard and light.
I’m not surprised it likes to be decoupled from the floor tbh. Turntables are pretty efficient vibration detectors and any vibration entering the turntable from the floor can’t be a good thing. Most of the vibration in the floor will be generated by the system, so by the time the vibration gets back to the cartridge it’ll be well behind the beat, severely affecting the pitch and timing of subsequent notes.

I’d say the support should be massless, inert and protect the turntable from its surrounding environment. Barry Diament has kitted his recording studios out with rubber inner tubes under his equipment in order to reduce the effects of microphony. I think he uses a board on top of the inner tube (I need to check on his website).
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Spannko wrote: 2021-06-23 00:28 I’m not surprised it likes to be decoupled from the floor tbh. Turntables are pretty efficient vibration detectors and any vibration entering the turntable from the floor can’t be a good thing. Most of the vibration in the floor will be generated by the system, so by the time the vibration gets back to the cartridge it’ll be well behind the beat, severely affecting the pitch and timing of subsequent notes.

I’d say the support should be massless, inert and protect the turntable from its surrounding environment. Barry Diament has kitted his recording studios out with rubber inner tubes under his equipment in order to reduce the effects of microphony. I think he uses a board on top of the inner tube (I need to check on his website).
Thanks Spannko!

Makes sense.

Looks like if I try anything then something between the Lack table top and the LP12 might help. Shorter legs probably won't impact it much.
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Charlie1 wrote: 2021-06-22 18:11 I thought this was an improvement recording a new track but listening back I'm not so sure now :(

Normal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yuqkno6ffwpk7 ... 1.mp4?dl=0
Felt: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i2vhijry3amdb ... 0.mp4?dl=0
Normal for me, without felt.
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System is sounding really good despite your LP12 not bouncing as well as it could.

I'm flipping between the two. At first I preferred 2 (on top) which seemed easier to follow. But sometimes I would listen again and clip 1 seemed more together and grounded. So I don't really know. I'd probably need another song to help me decide, but if pushed, I'd opt for on top.

What are the speakers by the way?
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speakers are Dynaudio Contour 60 - I also have difficulties to decide which is more musical
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My first thoughts after listening to those two tracks was That's a really Live room, and how I would try throwing down a rug in front of the speakers to quell at least some of all those hard surface reflections happening. ...Besides that I like the sound your making and I think I preferred track No.2. Seemed to be a little more in control overall, but hard to tell.
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Defender wrote: 2021-06-23 22:03 I also have difficulties to decide which is more musical
What about shuffling them along so they are more evening spaced on the top shelf?
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I enjoy it more on top, clip 2. Both sound good but got into it more on the second clip. Nice choice of music!
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Clip 2 for me ...
Nice, very nice.
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Clip 2 for me too..........
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thank you for all your feedback which is consistant with what I hear - with respect to the recommendations: they are really much appreciated because sometimes we do some things and there is a possible chance for a cheap upgrade in musicality which we just dont aware of.

actually I hoped for more improvement after I lifted the Radikal up from the floor - lifted the Entity up from the floor and the Sagatun Monos are not stacked on each other anymore.

@Charlie: I tried to distribute the Entity and the Radikal more evenly on the board but either the Radikal had on leg up or the Entity had one leg up and I dont think it makes them more musical being in a peeing dog posture (which also means my board is not straight).

@tpetsch: there is actually a rug in front of the speakers but you cant see it as I my back problems keept me away from taking the slade slabs out of the room yet ... and I didnt want Tom to see it ;)
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Your components may need a few days to settle, before they sound their best...
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Defender wrote: 2021-06-24 10:42 @Charlie: I tried to distribute the Entity and the Radikal more evenly on the board but either the Radikal had on leg up or the Entity had one leg up and I dont think it makes them more musical being in a peeing dog posture (which also means my board is not straight).
I find one or more pieces of paper under one leg works well.
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this is actually an easy one I think… clip 2 for sure
well done, and maybr there is still more to come, as Tendaberry mentioned!?
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Back to Black Ash vs Oak. Now the Oak deck is fitted with a Goldring refurbished Troika.

MC phono cards were cold and the deck could probably have done with settling overnight but I was too impatient to wait and made some clips anyway. Besides I need to run the cart in yet so will take a couple of weeks.

Oak Deck (Black liner, Lingo 1, Ekos 2, Troika): https://www.dropbox.com/s/lyl5wp518xbp1 ... 2.mp4?dl=0
Black Deck (Black liner, Lingo 1, Ekos 2, Adikt): https://www.dropbox.com/s/i533e3d2qfejy ... 0.mp4?dl=0

First impression is that it doesn't seem as tuneful as the black deck but is a better match for the overly warm Saras, so not sure if it's a keeper or not. It's definitely my type of sound though - very coherent to the way my brain works, like the Adikt / K9.

Bonus: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c1g18gj0uvk5o ... 1.mp4?dl=0
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Not much in it,at the moment leaning towards the MM...It's been decades since I've listened to that track but it seems to be slower than I remember.
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I think the Troika needs a few weeks of running-in, but it sounds promising already. I like the Adikt too, though.
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Lego wrote: 2021-06-29 16:18 Not much in it,at the moment leaning towards the MM...It's been decades since I've listened to that track but it seems to be slower than I remember.
I find phone clips do that in general but perhaps you're picking up on something else.

Their live versions from the late 70s are much quicker - mental new wave sound.

Here's a good one that's also on Spotify... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT-XMZEbq_I
Tendaberry wrote: 2021-06-29 16:25 I think the Trioka needs a few weeks of running-in, but it sounds promising already. I like the Adikt too, though.
Thanks Tendaberry. Yes, looking forward to seeing how it pans out.
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Tendaberry wrote: 2021-06-29 16:25 I think the Trioka needs a few weeks of running-in, but it sounds promising already. I like the Adikt too, though.
+1 ... give time to Troika, if I my suggest, don't make fast decision ...
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Charlie1 wrote: 2021-06-29 15:52 Back to Black Ash vs Oak. Now the Oak deck is fitted with a Goldring refurbished Troika...
Cool comparison; thanks for posting. Feels like a head v heart kind of choice; precision v passion; original lineup v quality cover band (giving it their all). Tough call - the Troika could do with loosening the reins a bit; the Adikt has been at the stash...
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