Playground for practical listening exercises

[beck]

A chance (or not) for the carbon brush to make a comeback as support for the cd player power cable in my setup. This is a battle between felt and carbon brush! :-)

Felt: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2dtrilzkhgloa ... 5.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ua9znasgdkrpe ... 0.mov?dl=0


Carb: https://www.dropbox.com/s/viackx5dtujf8 ... 6.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lqob584qqizit ... 4.mov?dl=0

[V.A.MKD]

A chance (or not) for the carbon brush to make a comeback as support for the cd player power cable in my setup. This is a battle between felt and carbon brush! :-)

Felt: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2dtrilzkhgloa ... 5.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ua9znasgdkrpe ... 0.mov?dl=0


Carb: https://www.dropbox.com/s/viackx5dtujf8 ... 6.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lqob584qqizit ... 4.mov?dl=0

Hi Beck,
I'm for Carbon in general ...
Carbon on a first clip (drummer) is clear winner.
Carbon on a second clip have advantage, but difference is smaller.

[Charlie1]

I couldn't pick using the first clip. Not melodic enough for me.

I do prefer felt on the second pair of clips. I connect more with the music. Instruments seem better sync'd with vocal as well.

Carbon seems clearer though.

[lejonklou]

I couldn't pick using the first clip. Not melodic enough for me.

I do prefer felt on the second pair of clips. I connect more with the music. Instruments seem better sync'd with vocal as well.

Carbon seems clearer though.

Exactly the same for me.

[beck]

Sorry about the percussion track. Here is one extra set of clips not to make anyone change their mind but to compensate for the first track:

Felt: https://www.dropbox.com/s/en8uxq2aun94i ... 2.mov?dl=0

Carb: https://www.dropbox.com/s/k6982uney4isu ... 8.mov?dl=0

[Spannko]

A chance (or not) for the carbon brush to make a comeback as support for the cd player power cable in my setup. This is a battle between felt and carbon brush! :-)

Felt: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2dtrilzkhgloa ... 5.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ua9znasgdkrpe ... 0.mov?dl=0


Carb: https://www.dropbox.com/s/viackx5dtujf8 ... 6.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lqob584qqizit ... 4.mov?dl=0

TBH, beck, I’m finding more and more that some tracks we really enjoy listening to don’t tell us much about how musical a system is. Some tracks, on some systems, can give us an instant enjoyment hit that satisfies our HiFi/musical cravings, but then put on something more melodic, as charlie1 suggests, and suddenly we begin to see the system in a new light.

Consequently, I also struggled to come to a meaningful decision.

Thankfully, music is a very broad church (hallelujah!),

EDIT: You posted new clips as I was writing my reply.

[Charlie1]

Sorry about the percussion track. Here is one extra set of clips not to make anyone change their mind but to compensate for the first track:

Felt: https://www.dropbox.com/s/en8uxq2aun94i ... 2.mov?dl=0

Carb: https://www.dropbox.com/s/k6982uney4isu ... 8.mov?dl=0

Felt again for me please

[Defender]

felt for me too based on the first round of clips (second clip of the fist round) - didnt expected this as I thought your carbon brush experiment was enlightening and expected felt to come in second as generally more rigid than the carbon fiber ... but I didnt hear a „night and day“ difference between the two

[V.A.MKD]

Sorry about the percussion track. Here is one extra set of clips not to make anyone change their mind but to compensate for the first track:

Felt: https://www.dropbox.com/s/en8uxq2aun94i ... 2.mov?dl=0

Carb: https://www.dropbox.com/s/k6982uney4isu ... 8.mov?dl=0

Carbon again for me.

[beck]

Thank you to all that took the time to listen to my clips. I know that you by now must be sick of me posting here but I do so when something interesting to me and hopefully also to you is going on.

The carbon brush was a surprice to me. It clearly brought me nearer to what I was searching for. It did/do however leave me with a feeling of a slightly changed balance of tone and a slight lack of body. The timing to me is also not hitting bulls eye but close.

I got the idea from Defender to use felt. It instantly gave me the body and natural (to me) balance that I know from analog though not knocking my Sondek of the throne.
I needed to work with how exactly to use the felt but found a way that gave the above result.

So, I am in the Charlie1, Lejonklou, Defender camp. That is how I like my music served not knocking on Vlado and others that might enjoy things slightly differently.

The differences may seem small but to me they are very important...........

[Defender]

Beck,
that is great to hear and the initial idea came from you - this forum is so great I have soo much pleasure to hear music now and I know there is more to come and more to dig out.

This section is soo helpful and I never get bored by hearing clips because I think I also learn more and more through it.


Today I realised just disconnecting all cables from the Linto (which I needed to do to reposition it - all done in 10 minutes) the Linto/cable reconnection needs to settle one day to sound good again.

[ThomasOK]

Sorry about the percussion track. Here is one extra set of clips not to make anyone change their mind but to compensate for the first track:

Felt: https://www.dropbox.com/s/en8uxq2aun94i ... 2.mov?dl=0

Carb: https://www.dropbox.com/s/k6982uney4isu ... 8.mov?dl=0

I have to come down on the side of the felt. The carbon seems more dynamic and “clearer” but has a strangeness to the timing and dynamic that I find unsettling. The felt seems to move better and hold together well even if it sounds a little softened compared to the carbon fiber. So what is the third material that will bring it all together?

[lejonklou]

So what is the third material that will bring it all together?

Carbon fibre felt?

[beck]

So what is the third material that will bring it all together?

Carbon fibre felt?

Fear not guys! I am working on it! :-)

On a serious note though I am not making the above but still trying out different things..........

[ThomasOK]

Dacron polyester?
Long fiber wool?

[beck]

Dacron polyester?
Long fiber wool?

For now I am changing other factors but keeping the felt in place.....


Honestly I am very close to what I could dream of getting out of this cd player. I have never been that much into the sound of the sound. I am more into the “feel” of the sound. :-)

[V.A.MKD]

Dacron polyester?
Long fiber wool?

Cork ... maybe?
Not from Vine ... from Board ... :-)))
Cork for board is 1-2mm tick, so if it is good, you can use 1, 2, 3 pcs (3cm x 3cm, or other dimension) ...

[beck]

Just a little thing I would like to share.

After a long period of working with setup for my cd player last year I reached a turning point. At the time this was what it could do:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/juvyso1i9sz35 ... 6.mov?dl=0

I almost gave up but in a last attempt I opened the cd player and found the power cable forced up against the chassis. I cut the plastic strip and let the cable hang.

After a period of working with the setup again I have now reached this result:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ybu5xphs8o3ob ... 6.mov?dl=0

For people with a better stand than mine and more normal conditions I think cutting the plastic strip inside the cd player would have done the job! :-)

[V.A.MKD]

Just a little thing I would like to share.

After a long period of working with setup for my cd player last year I reached a turning point. At the time this was what it could do:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/juvyso1i9sz35 ... 6.mov?dl=0

I almost gave up but in a last attempt I opened the cd player and found the power cable forced up against the chassis. I cut the plastic strip and let the cable hang.

After a period of working with the setup again I have now reached this result:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ybu5xphs8o3ob ... 6.mov?dl=0

For people with a better stand than mine and more normal conditions I think cutting the plastic strip inside the cd player would have done the job! :-)

Hi Beck,

Congratulations, Job Done!
To be clear, job done from HiFi point of view, but as well job done, even better, from Musicality point of view.

Enjoy ...

[kallesprätt]

Old vs new, better or worse?

Old:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z73wum9wwljzz ... 1.mov?dl=0

New:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6gk1gjrv4p9p2 ... 0.mov?dl=0

[OscarH]

I think old is better.

But, I wonder if there’s something up with the recordings - the music sounds considerably more distant on the new, like the room is captured differently?

I doubt that’s the actual effect of introducing a wall shelf... I don’t even know which source is playing but some time must have elapsed between recordings.

(Note: I’m still on learner plates and try to go by first impressions)

[u252agz]

Much prefer old.

Big difference in musicality to my ears.

Is it just the wall shelf that is new or has something else changed.

[beck]

I understand the answers above but I have a problem with the recording angle not being exactly the same.

On the old clip you are almost perfect with the top of the speakers (slightly under). On the new clip you are above this angle. You can see the top of the speakers.

I think this can make a difference.

Try to make a clip like the old one just to make sure......

[Charlie1]

I prefer old too

[lejonklou]

Old for me too.

Curious.