Playground for practical listening exercises

[tokenbrit]

Here is a new one...

C is a little Clearer; D is a little Disappointing...



(I wouldn't be surprised if A = C)

[lejonklou]

Easier this time. I find C much better than D.

[beck]

I prefer C (and A in the first comparison).

[Tendaberry]

Easier this time. I find C much better than D.

Exactly!

[ThomasOK]

Didn't get a chance to listen to the first set. On this I definitely prefer trees and lava rocks over mountains and stripes. In other words C1 and C2 are my preferences. More musical, more enjoyable. The D tracks also sound like they are overemphasizing the dynamics and can be a little harsh.

[tpetsch]

Maybe it's just me but I'm kinda digging D1, "I" found it much more lifelike and musically involving than C1 on my laptops speakers. Found myself listening all the way thru on D1, I want to say it was more dramatic & engaging in the way I think Elton wanted it to sound. The opening piano was eerie and deep and gave me pause and grabbed my attention like there was a little something more going on here. Also I got the impression on D1 that there was just more space/air between everything..

[lejonklou]

I partly agree with tpetsch in that there was something good about D1.

Then I listened to C2 and D2 and found C2 to be much better. Didn’t revisit C1 and D1.

[tpetsch]

I partly agree with tpetsch in that there was something good about D1.

Then I listened to C2 and D2 and found C2 to be much better. Didn’t revisit C1 and D1.

I didn't want to get bogged down with several different back & forths so I just compared D1 & C1, perhaps I'll revisit D2 & C2 later on.

[Matteo]

Frankly, I prefer both D1 and D2, that seem more engaging

M.

[Spannko]

If I were testing these at home, I’d put them both on the back burner! There’s something about both which doesn’t quite work for me, but if pushed I’d go for C. The bass on D was all over the place, particularly on EJ

[tpetsch]

If I were testing these at home, I’d put them both on the back burner! There’s something about both which doesn’t quite work for me, but if pushed I’d go for C. The bass on D was all over the place, particularly on EJ

You're assuming that the sound you don't care for is not an artifact of the LP's -or the source- itself although that can't be assumed, all we have to go by with 2 clips to compare are the two clips, period. Nothing more until the OP of the clips reveals to us more information, or more clips/listening reveals a pattern. Anyway, that's my take on all these A/B's, I just simply choose the one I think is more in tune as I can assume nothing else as that would be a guess.

[Spannko]

If I were testing these at home, I’d put them both on the back burner! There’s something about both which doesn’t quite work for me, but if pushed I’d go for C. The bass on D was all over the place, particularly on EJ

You're assuming that the sound you don't care for is not an artifact of the LP's -or the source- itself although that can't be assumed, all we have to go by with 2 clips to compare are the two clips, period. Nothing more until the OP of the clips reveals to us more information, or more clips/listening reveals a pattern. Anyway, that's my take on all these A/B's, I just simply choose the one I think is more in tune as I can assume nothing else as that would be a guess.

You’re assuming that I’ve made an assumption!

[Offerdal]

You were right A=C= mana referens table ( 2 levels)
D= mana referens table with one extra level at the topp (3 levels)

I hear What you all saying. C is more tuneful I think. D got more slam but more like everyone trying really hard.

I Also think there is something until everything snaps in in this system. With a active system there is a lot of things that could be wrong/ suboptimal. Good powercords in right order. Healty black boxes. IC been individual evaluated. Speakers in pretty Good condition. Mr Lejonklou soldered k400 in right lenght. Will change mids. Kabers are very demanding in setup. 88mm from Backwall right now. I am not moving speakerposition between different tables for the LP12. Could be different optimal speakerposition between tables. Will test all the tables and then retune the speakers

Thanks for all feedback!

[Offerdal]

New one

E 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s441pveeq4lhu4q/E1.mov?dl=0

E2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rrgdqco7wa756zg/E2.mov?dl=0

F1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/belz9dfg3yamlrs/F1.mov?dl=0

F2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2t2h5pbcy4p9e8z/F2.mov?dl=0

[beck]

I prefer F1/F2.

[tpetsch]

Between E2 & F2 I prefer F2 as E2 sounds forced to me, a bit in your face by comparison.

Have you tried lifting all the grounds? ...Unplugging them from the outlet/preamp inputs from all other sources but the phono stage/TT while doing these A?B's?

I agree, getting an activ system to work as well as it can takes a bit of work, but in the end it's all worth it IMO.

Also some TV's put out a Hi Frequency when on, not sure about yours but it certainly can't help the evaluation process with it on. Some even feel undriven speakers in the room -such as the TV speakers- can also be an issue and effect the tune..

Just a few ideas FWTW.

[Matteo]

I prefer F1/F2.

Me too

[Charlie1]

Here is a new one. Always happy for your comments

C1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7nrdiut6tq5v67e/C1.mov?dl=0

C2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pn5l09u3swqkctk/C2.mov?dl=0

D1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bph1r2uhxmtn6d7/D1.mov?dl=0

D2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jfjyahtub6krk6g/D2.mov?dl=0

Had a quick listen the other night but was very tired. Preferred D but was gonna listen again.

[Charlie1]

I prefer F1/F2.

Me too

+1

[Tendaberry]

I definitely prefer F1 to E1, much looser and with natural "swing".

[Offerdal]

Thats great.
A=C=F=mana referens table (2 levels)
E= ”new design” mana table (1 level)

[matthias]

Thats great.
A=C=F=mana referens table (2 levels)
E= ”new design” mana table (1 level)

Please, can you post pictures or a link of Mana reference table and the new design Mana table?
Thx

[Offerdal]

”Old” mana referens table
https://www.stereonet.com/forums/topic/ ... yer-stand/

New mana table

[matthias]

How is the performance when you place the Reference top table on top of the new Mana table or is there also an additional top table for the new Mana range?

Edit: I found this one:
https://adriancowderoy.com/new-mana-mark-2-sound-stage/

BTW, how did you get the new Mana table?
Can you order them on the internet?
Thx

[Spannko]

Offerdal,

Would it be possible to provide a recording of your Mana against something other than another Mana table please?