Playground for practical listening exercises

[Lego]

What I find really remarkable is how big the differences are and how easy it is to hear them on clips recorded with a phone.

Clips of two different loudspeakers:
'Hmmm, well, I'm not entirely sure but I think I prefer one of them. How do you rate them when listening in the room?'

Clips of two power cords swapping positions in the strip:
'That was easy. One is great and the other terrible!'

It shows how important the fundamentals are.

I hope there are no unscrupulous hifi dealers reading this :0)

But if you want to hear really terrible plug in JBLs and probably amps in a different wall socket.

HNY Fredrik .

[Spannko]

Are you sure your "laboratory" set up is giving the woofers a chance Spannko?

I’m not sure about anything I’m doing tbh! The experiment was set up to determine if drive units have intrinsic musicality and the initial results seem to suggest they do. So far I’ve tested 5 bass/mid’s and they all vary in their sound and musicality, and interestingly, still sound quite similar to when they’re mounted in their enclosures, just with less bass.

[Spannko]

The 200mm would have to have some crossover help and some careful cabinet loading to help speed that driver up subjectively. What happens if you run two 120mm's in its place?

Thanks for the tip scooter. I’ve been wondering what effect acoustic loading might have on the performance of the drive units, and whether running them effectively in a dipole arrangement (with very small baffles!) will tell me much about how they might perform in an enclosure. I’m hoping that the drive units will maintain their musicality when mounted in an enclosure. If the enclosure improves their performance, I’m hoping that the enclosure improves all drive units equally.

What sort of crossover help are you referring to?

I haven’t tried running two 120mm units together yet. That would be an interesting experiment too 👍

[Defender]

1 SAGE

2 PARSLEY

and than the rest

ROSEMARY & THYME

[Lego]

1 SAGE

2 PARSLEY

and than the rest

ROSEMARY & THYME

HNY Defender

[Defender]

Yes Lego I wish you all the best for the rest of the year.

[tokenbrit]

Initially I was taken with Parsley but it got burned when the going got hot... Sage cleaned house..

Forget Rosemary and Thyme, despite quite liking Felicity Kendall especially as Barbara Good - the R&T clip wasn't...

[lejonklou]

Ok here's .

1)LINGO1 KAIRN LINTO

2)LINGO1 LINTO KAIRN

3)KAIRN LINGO1 LINTO .....Maybe in that order.

PARSLEY

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U4WU3t ... p=drivesdk

SAGE

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U391uI ... p=drivesdk


ROSEMARY & THYME

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U2wB0S ... p=drivesdk

Sage for me. Parsley likely second best.

[tpetsch]

Gotta say, for me it's Parsley over Sage. ...In fact all I needed was that opening cymbal crash.

[Lego]

Gotta say, for me it's Parsley over Sage. ...In fact all I needed was that opening cymbal crash.

HNY tpetsch

[Tony Tune-age]

It's a tough call, but I might be leaning towards Sage...or Parsley :-)

[Defender]

Gotta say, for me it's Parsley over Sage. ...In fact all I needed was that opening cymbal crash.

After your statement I checked the clips again and although I understand what you say with the opening cymbal crash I think this setup (Page) is on details and not as much on flow and musicality as SAGE is for me. I can follow SAGE easier than Parsley.

[tpetsch]

Gotta say, for me it's Parsley over Sage. ...In fact all I needed was that opening cymbal crash.

After your statement I checked the clips again and although I understand what you say with the opening cymbal crash I think this setup (Page) is on details and not as much on flow and musicality as SAGE is for me. I can follow SAGE easier than Parsley.

Just listened again, back and forth a few times, and the thing my body is naturally responding to between Parsley and Sage on these two particular tracks is the "P" RA & "T" and I can't get away from that because that was my natural tie breaker for "me". For me the Parsley clip charges along with more authority, a better grip on the overall performance. So, now in this situation I would need to play a few more -different- tracks to draw a better overall conclusion between the two.

Gotta say, for me it's Parsley over Sage. ...In fact all I needed was that opening cymbal crash.

HNY tpetsch

Back at you Lego, and to the whole forum gang.

[Lego]

Gotta say, for me it's Parsley over Sage. ...In fact all I needed was that opening cymbal crash.

After your statement I checked the clips again and although I understand what you say with the opening cymbal crash I think this setup (Page) is on details and not as much on flow and musicality as SAGE is for me. I can follow SAGE easier than Parsley.

Just listened again, back and forth a few times, and the thing my body is naturally responding to between Parsley and Sage on these two particular tracks is the "P" RA & "T" and I can't get away from that because that was my natural tie breaker for "me". For me the Parsley clip charges along with more authority, a better grip on the overall performance. So, now in this situation I would need to play a few more -different- tracks to draw a better overall conclusion between the two.

Gotta say, for me it's Parsley over Sage. ...In fact all I needed was that opening cymbal crash.

HNY tpetsch

Back at you Lego, and to the whole forum gang.

Ok let me make you another offering tpetsch.

DAS

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VD6mPD ... p=drivesdk

MUSIKALISCHE

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ute09s ... p=drivesdk

OPFHER

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UeOBX- ... p=drivesdk

[tpetsch]

Ophfer is all round more in tune this time but there's still something compelling about MUSIKALISCHE too, it has this rawness air to it but it's less in tune. How about a combination of the best of both?

[Lego]

Ophfer is all round more in tune this time but there's still something compelling about MUSIKALISCHE too, it has this rawness air to it but it's less in tune. How about a combination of the best of both?

I don't think that distribution block exists,at least you're being consistent which is reassuring tpetsch :0)

[Scooter62]

MUSIKALISCHE ist für mich am musikalischsten. You can actually hear pitches of the bass line in addition to the rhythms being better delineated. The repeating percussion motif has a great sense of tension and the singer's diction (such that it is) gets more meaning across - I was surprised by the amount of difference here as the changes were the same as last time. Kairn first = MUSIKALISCHE per chance?

Hoping for all of you 2022 is a year full of peace, happiness, and good health. Prosperity would be great too, but would that be too much to hope for?

[Lego]

MUSIKALISCHE ist für mich am musikalischsten. You can actually hear pitches of the bass line in addition to the rhythms being better delineated. The repeating percussion motif has a great sense of tension and the singer's diction (such that it is) gets more meaning across - I was surprised by the amount of difference here as the changes were the same as last time. Kairn first = MUSIKALISCHE per chance?

Hoping for all of you 2022 is a year full of peace, happiness, and good health. Prosperity would be great too, but would that be too much to hope for?

You too Soocter :0)

[tokenbrit]

MUSIKALISCHE ist für mich am musikalischsten...

Mich auch. Similar to Parsley, which overdid the seasoning, Opfher seems to sacrifice the music...

[V.A.MKD]

Ok let me make you another offering tpetsch.

DAS

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VD6mPD ... p=drivesdk

MUSIKALISCHE

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ute09s ... p=drivesdk

OPFHER

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UeOBX- ... p=drivesdk

For me:
1.- Musikalische,
2.- Opfher,
3.- Das.

[V.A.MKD]

Ok here's .

1)LINGO1 KAIRN LINTO

2)LINGO1 LINTO KAIRN

3)KAIRN LINGO1 LINTO .....Maybe in that order.

PARSLEY

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U4WU3t ... p=drivesdk

SAGE

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U391uI ... p=drivesdk


ROSEMARY & THYME

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U2wB0S ... p=drivesdk

Late to the party, but ... Here for me:
1.- Sage,
2.- Parsley,
3.- R & T.

[Lego]

Ok here's .

1)LINGO1 KAIRN LINTO

2)LINGO1 LINTO KAIRN

3)KAIRN LINGO1 LINTO .....Maybe in that order.

PARSLEY

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U4WU3t ... p=drivesdk

SAGE

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U391uI ... p=drivesdk


ROSEMARY & THYME

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U2wB0S ... p=drivesdk

Late to the party, but ... Here for me:
1.- Sage,
2.- Parsley,
3.- R & T.

H.N.Y.V.A.MKD

[beck]

So, as I try to get my cd replay as close as possible to my vinyl replay, it is always interesting to compare. How close can I get?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gqu5vlz8c40os ... 9.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/52a8zuh2luod3 ... 3.mov?dl=0

Beware the vinyl version is recorded a bit louder than the cd version….

[Defender]

wow Beck thats not bad at all I even like some qualities of the CD playback more than on the LP12

[Scooter62]

wow Beck thats not bad at all I even like some qualities of the CD playback more than on the LP12

+1

Beck, you've worked some magic on that CD player! Having musically compelling lp AND cd replay in the same system is not automatic and throwing money at the problem can even be counterproductive- especially with digital replay. Your brain, ears, and patience have taken you far in that regard!

Speaking of, I'm curious if you've thought about making more of those units like you're using on top of the player chassis to address vibration, mass load the feet underneath, etc? I love that you've made it resemble a fine turntable - it's almost uncanny! If you'd ever be interested in building another that looks like an antique radio or maybe a Fabergé egg (just thinking out loud) shoot me a PM sometime and I'll do my best to make it worth your time and considerable skill.
With love, scooter ;-)