Playground for practical listening exercises

[ThomasOK]

Nothing to be sorry about. I didn't assume C and D were a repeat of A and B. I just was stating that I liked B better in the first pairing and I liked D better of the second pairing.

[lejonklou]

And go on. Because it was so nice, something from Joni again. In honor of Fredrik from the same album.

Which album is it? wonderful..

Joni Mitchell - Turbulent Indigo

[lejonklou]

And go on. Because it was so nice, something from Joni again. In honor of Fredrik from the same album.


C) https://www.dropbox.com/s/8tzo89jefuyck ... 0.m4a?dl=0

D) https://www.dropbox.com/s/knmtau2f4wn4rc5/D..m4a?dl=0


Is it for you:
1) = much better
2) = better
3) = little better

I prefer C. I can't quantify the difference and often feel it's difficult to do so with clips.

[tokenbrit]

C sounds a little louder, and better for it...

[Charlie1]

Had to go back a forth a few times, maybe cos I'm tired, maybe cos they're closer than last time, but prefer C as well.

[beck]

I find D a little “cold” so I would pick C.

[V.A.MKD]

I'm for C here, difference 2-3.
More musical for me.

I have the same filing as for A, but OK, A is out of game :-).

[V.A.MKD]

And go on. Because it was so nice, something from Joni again. In honor of Fredrik from the same album.

Which album is it? wonderful..

Joni Mitchell - Turbulent Indigo

Thank you Fredrik ... J.M. - Turbulent Indigo.

[Eli7]

Yes, that's it again. A small change high up in the hierarchy (power fuse) is more noticeable to me than a very large, significant change further down in the hierarchy. You can't get around source first. Unfortunately.

I was very surprised how good D is.

I also found C to be a bit better, but not good enough to necessarily continue to follow this elaborate route.

I will soon be living with D for a while and see if I miss C a lot.

[Charlie1]

Finished the SBLs. I bought a new kit in the end, used wood filler on the old holes and stapled down new pads etc.

They sound very similar to how they were before I started positioning them properly but perhaps with fuller bass. Timing and clarity are still excellent but not as tuneful/musical as any Linn speaker I've had. They are probably a bit frenetic for many here though. They were too much for me with the Nait but a bit more even keeled with the 32.5/160. I suspect a 250 would suit them even more. Either way, they are a bargain for 500 quid + the cost of the kit.

This is a new smartphone btw - Samsung A40. Not as tuneful as the iphones but you do get stereo (of sorts).
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3uks50qkajguf ... 7.mp4?dl=0

Will I keep them? Yes, but only until the day I find a very nice pair of Saras.

[beck]

They sound gooooood now! :-)

Great timing using the AT95c...........

[Eli7]

What do you prefer?


E) https://www.dropbox.com/s/0bfcdudfy9qj9gz/E.m4a?dl=0

F) https://www.dropbox.com/s/3tfyyb8y0xji237/F.m4a?dl=0

[Eli7]

Finished the SBLs. I bought a new kit in the end, used wood filler on the old holes and stapled down new pads etc.

They sound very similar to how they were before I started positioning them properly but perhaps with fuller bass. Timing and clarity are still excellent but not as tuneful/musical as any Linn speaker I've had. They are probably a bit frenetic for many here though. They were too much for me with the Nait but a bit more even keeled with the 32.5/160. I suspect a 250 would suit them even more. Either way, they are a bargain for 500 quid + the cost of the kit.

How nice, a pair of SBLs, I like the old Naims.

[Charlie1]

Thanks for your feedback both.

What do you prefer?

E) https://www.dropbox.com/s/0bfcdudfy9qj9gz/E.m4a?dl=0

F) https://www.dropbox.com/s/3tfyyb8y0xji237/F.m4a?dl=0

To my ears, F sounds a bit out of tune in comparison to E.

[Charlie1]

Will I keep them? Yes, but only until the day I find a very nice pair of Saras.

Can I change my mind on that? :D They are not tuneful enough for me. I think my Keilidhs will be more satisfying until I find some Saras.

[beck]

Will I keep them? Yes, but only until the day I find a very nice pair of Saras.

Can I change my mind on that? :D They are not tuneful enough for me. I think my Keilidhs will be more satisfying until I find some Saras.

No, you cannot go around pulling our noses!

Yes you can if you like. :-)

[tokenbrit]

Will I keep them? Yes, but only until the day I find a very nice pair of Saras.

Can I change my mind on that? :D They are not tuneful enough for me. I think my Keilidhs will be more satisfying until I find some Saras.

Is the T in PRaT meant to stand for Tune, or Timing? They definitely have Pace, Rhythm, and Timing... sounds like not enough Tune. Shame, but an interesting journey - thanks for sharing.

[ThomasOK]

Thanks for your feedback both.

What do you prefer?

E) https://www.dropbox.com/s/0bfcdudfy9qj9gz/E.m4a?dl=0

F) https://www.dropbox.com/s/3tfyyb8y0xji237/F.m4a?dl=0

To my ears, F sounds a bit out of tune in comparison to E.

Yeah, I like E a bit better, although I'm only getting 10 seconds of each so it is an officially sanctioned tune method comparison.

[beck]

+1

[Eli7]

E) for me too.

In the fuse box were:

E = Silver fuse (Phonosophie)

F = copper fuse

It is interesting that the music seems to run faster with the silver fuse. It also looks more alive.

[Eli7]

Will I keep them? Yes, but only until the day I find a very nice pair of Saras.

Can I change my mind on that? :D They are not tuneful enough for me. I think my Keilidhs will be more satisfying until I find some Saras.

Do you remember the Basic tone listeners/ overtone listeners test?

If I remember correctly they are:

Basic tone listeners are more suitable for rhythmic instruments.
Overtone listeners are more suitable for melody-leading instruments.

Perhaps Naim speaks more to the basic tone listeners and Linn / Lejonklou more to the overtone listeners?

[Charlie1]

Is the T in PRaT meant to stand for Tune, or Timing? They definitely have Pace, Rhythm, and Timing... sounds like not enough Tune. Shame, but an interesting journey - thanks for sharing.

Glad it was of interest. It's been a fun journey for sure - lot's of things I missed out of on or was just never in a position to extensively play with. I think the T is for timing.

[Charlie1]

Do you remember the Basic tone listeners/ overtone listeners test?

If I remember correctly they are:

Basic tone listeners are more suitable for rhythmic instruments.
Overtone listeners are more suitable for melody-leading instruments.

Perhaps Naim speaks more to the basic tone listeners and Linn / Lejonklou more to the overtone listeners?

Is that the thing we had here a couple of years ago where you listen to two notes and answer if you thought it was hi-low or low-hi ? I thought it worked out if you were more of a left- or right-brain listerer.

I tried a Lingo deck this morning to see what impact that would have and, if anything, it's widened the gap - i.e. my Keilidhs are much more musically satisfying, despite sounding like they are under a duvet cover. I'm sure many SBL fans would wonder what I'm hearing but there you go.

[OscarH]

What do you prefer?


E) https://www.dropbox.com/s/0bfcdudfy9qj9gz/E.m4a?dl=0

F) https://www.dropbox.com/s/3tfyyb8y0xji237/F.m4a?dl=0

Late to the party...

E is a bit more tuneful I’d say after going back and forth a few times. Still, my very first impression was in favour of F. Maybe the old “hifi/impressive” trap... it does have a clarity that E doesn’t.

Sorry if this is obvious to others - but where in the chain is the fuse you’re changing?

[OscarH]

Do you remember the Basic tone listeners/ overtone listeners test?

If I remember correctly they are:

Basic tone listeners are more suitable for rhythmic instruments.
Overtone listeners are more suitable for melody-leading instruments.

Perhaps Naim speaks more to the basic tone listeners and Linn / Lejonklou more to the overtone listeners?

Is that the thing we had here a couple of years ago where you listen to two notes and answer if you thought it was hi-low or low-hi ? I thought it worked out if you were more of a left- or right-brain listerer.

I tried a Lingo deck this morning to see what impact that would have and, if anything, it's widened the gap - i.e. my Keilidhs are much more musically satisfying, despite sounding like they are under a duvet cover. I'm sure many SBL fans would wonder what I'm hearing but there you go.

I really enjoyed the SBL clip. Then again, isn’t it great that there’s still room for individual preference, that there isn’t an exact formula that will have maximum appeal to everybody?!? After all, we also listen to different kinds of music.