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Yes, now 1 sounds right on the money while 2 sounds a bit clumsy.

My guess is that 1 is your modified and 2 is the original.
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I'm not wanting to guess which is which, but I prefer the first in each set.
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needed to have 2 rounds to decide.
With the first go I was not happy with option 1 nor option 2. Than I was reading becks comment and wanted to hear how he came to the conclusion.
I have to agree with him option 1 (with the diffusor on the middle of your table) sounds more musical to me.
However, option 1 sounded also a little forward/harsh to me on the first go (this is the hifi side of it)
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Well, it will not be the first time I have been fooled so do not take my word for it! :-)

It is interesting that placing some pictures on the wall just behind the microphone changes the recorded sound so much (if that is the only change). Making this comparison one has to forget the old clip.
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For me 1 ... (with diffusor :-) ...) on both sets.
"2" is more HiFi, especially on 2nd set.
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I agree with everyone - no 1 is better and by some margin.

If this is original vs another modified PSU, I would guess original is no 1
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I prefer No1 for being a touch more harmonious.
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No 1 is the same modified psu as in the clips from last week and no 2 is the original psu.
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I think no 2 is clearly better. No 1 seems more like playing the same notes a the time. The chord changes and melody is much more easily perceived in no 2.
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Another vote for no. 1, no. 2 sounds a bit clumsy as beck noted.
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jewa wrote: 2020-06-02 15:55 I think no 2 is clearly better. No 1 seems more like playing the same notes a the time. The chord changes and melody is much more easily perceived in no 2.
Interesting!

I previously listened to the first track only. Now I just had to listen to them both.

In the first track I can't really hear what you're describing, but in the second track I can. Something is a bit one-noted in option 1, while option 2 I enjoyed more the longer I listened.
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Here are four new clips that I find interesting. They have nothing to do with the Karousel (except that it was obviously used) but are another small change in the system.

Set 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w6dmakzqzic4u ... m.mov?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w3es98vtgiq4f ... m.mov?dl=0

Set 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9l3vp5kgu44pw ... m.mov?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0a0n1rkf4m6s ... m.mov?dl=0

Note that the change is in reverse order on set 2 compared to set 1 but they are basically the same change.
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lejonklou wrote: 2020-06-02 17:06
jewa wrote: 2020-06-02 15:55 I think no 2 is clearly better. No 1 seems more like playing the same notes a the time. The chord changes and melody is much more easily perceived in no 2.
Interesting!

I previously listened to the first track only. Now I just had to listen to them both.

In the first track I can't really hear what you're describing, but in the second track I can. Something is a bit one-noted in option 1, while option 2 I enjoyed more the longer I listened.
Well, this is amusing. I listened to these tracks without reading any replies and I preferred 1 right away on the Knopfler tracks. Then listening on the Paisley tracks I liked 1 but then I quite liked 2 as well and wasn't really sure, but thought maybe 1. Then I read the comments and went back and listened to the Paisley tracks a couple more times and overall I do find 2 a bit better. But listening again to the Knopfler tracks I still prefer 1. How's that for decisive!
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ThomasOK wrote: 2020-06-02 17:54 Here are four new clips that I find interesting. They have nothing to do with the Karousel (except that it was obviously used) but are another small change in the system.

Set 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w6dmakzqzic4u ... m.mov?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w3es98vtgiq4f ... m.mov?dl=0

Set 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9l3vp5kgu44pw ... m.mov?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0a0n1rkf4m6s ... m.mov?dl=0

Note that the change is in reverse order on set 2 compared to set 1 but they are basically the same change.
Set 1 ... first clip;
Set 2 ... second clip, I can't imagine what is the change, but system is soooo gooood that make it "visible".
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ThomasOK wrote: 2020-06-02 18:07
lejonklou wrote: 2020-06-02 17:06
jewa wrote: 2020-06-02 15:55 I think no 2 is clearly better. No 1 seems more like playing the same notes a the time. The chord changes and melody is much more easily perceived in no 2.
Interesting!

I previously listened to the first track only. Now I just had to listen to them both.

In the first track I can't really hear what you're describing, but in the second track I can. Something is a bit one-noted in option 1, while option 2 I enjoyed more the longer I listened.
Well, this is amusing. I listened to these tracks without reading any replies and I preferred 1 right away on the Knopfler tracks. Then listening on the Paisley tracks I liked 1 but then I quite liked 2 as well and wasn't really sure, but thought maybe 1. Then I read the comments and went back and listened to the Paisley tracks a couple more times and overall I do find 2 a bit better. But listening again to the Knopfler tracks I still prefer 1. How's that for decisive!
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I pass once again thru Fredrik Tune Method and inside I find answer on both questions ... but I feel like something I miss ... something is ...

I don't have that big experience in Tune Method as you (just half a year) ... especially listen in the room and than listen on the clips that you make ...

OK, partly it's my mistake, I change headphones ... I find original Apple (as Fredrik suggest) ...

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ThomasOK wrote: 2020-06-02 18:07
lejonklou wrote: 2020-06-02 17:06
jewa wrote: 2020-06-02 15:55 I think no 2 is clearly better. No 1 seems more like playing the same notes a the time. The chord changes and melody is much more easily perceived in no 2.
Interesting!

I previously listened to the first track only. Now I just had to listen to them both.

In the first track I can't really hear what you're describing, but in the second track I can. Something is a bit one-noted in option 1, while option 2 I enjoyed more the longer I listened.
Well, this is amusing. I listened to these tracks without reading any replies and I preferred 1 right away on the Knopfler tracks. Then listening on the Paisley tracks I liked 1 but then I quite liked 2 as well and wasn't really sure, but thought maybe 1. Then I read the comments and went back and listened to the Paisley tracks a couple more times and overall I do find 2 a bit better. But listening again to the Knopfler tracks I still prefer 1. How's that for decisive!
That’s similar to how I heard the difference. Preferred 1 on the MK track, initially liked 2 on the BP track, which made me listen harder to both tracks. Still preferred 1 on the MK track and eventually preferred 1 on the BP track due to the guitar being slightly more tuneful and apparent compared to 2.
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ThomasOK wrote: 2020-06-02 17:54 Here are four new clips that I find interesting. They have nothing to do with the Karousel (except that it was obviously used) but are another small change in the system.

Set 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w6dmakzqzic4u ... m.mov?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w3es98vtgiq4f ... m.mov?dl=0

Set 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9l3vp5kgu44pw ... m.mov?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0a0n1rkf4m6s ... m.mov?dl=0

Note that the change is in reverse order on set 2 compared to set 1 but they are basically the same change.
I'm leaning towards first clip in Set 1 and second clip in Set 2. They flow a bit better to my ears.

The other clips sound great as well and seem more dynamic, but my foot doesn't tap as well to them.
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lejonklou wrote: 2020-06-02 17:06
jewa wrote: 2020-06-02 15:55 I think no 2 is clearly better. No 1 seems more like playing the same notes a the time. The chord changes and melody is much more easily perceived in no 2.
Interesting!

I previously listened to the first track only. Now I just had to listen to them both.

In the first track I can't really hear what you're describing, but in the second track I can. Something is a bit one-noted in option 1, while option 2 I enjoyed more the longer I listened.
I opted for option 1 after listening to track one a few times and had a very strong preference - I did have a quick listen to track 2 and it did nothing to change my mind.

Just now I listened only to track 2 and think that option 2 is preferable!

I have a feeling that psychologists would say I suffered from confirmation bias the first time - I had already decided option 1 was better by the time I listened to the second track.

I think it is good to do these tests blind and find out the results later - especially when manufacturers release ‘upgrades’.
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lejonklou wrote: 2020-06-02 20:02
ThomasOK wrote: 2020-06-02 17:54 Here are four new clips that I find interesting. They have nothing to do with the Karousel (except that it was obviously used) but are another small change in the system.

Set 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w6dmakzqzic4u ... m.mov?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w3es98vtgiq4f ... m.mov?dl=0

Set 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9l3vp5kgu44pw ... m.mov?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0a0n1rkf4m6s ... m.mov?dl=0

Note that the change is in reverse order on set 2 compared to set 1 but they are basically the same change.
I'm leaning towards first clip in Set 1 and second clip in Set 2. They flow a bit better to my ears.

The other clips sound great as well and seem more dynamic, but my foot doesn't tap as well to them.
Struggling to choose in set 1 - music not really doing it for me in either clip.

In set 2 - both clips sound good but I prefer the second.
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I prefer clip 2 and 3 (1 to 4 from top to bottom).
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beck wrote: 2020-06-03 08:37 I prefer clip 2 and 3 (1 to 4 from top to bottom).
I'm with Beck on this one. I like the shuffling beat more on clip 3 than on clip 4. The chord changes seem much more obvious on clip 2 than on 1 for the Amy Winehouse track.
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I prefer 1 and 4

for me for clip 2 something is more highlighted but distracts from the main flow which I enjoy in clip 1
However, always nice to hear your system also with clip 2/3
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2 and 3 for me.
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