Playground for practical listening exercises

[tokenbrit]

Thanks. 1.4+2 for me (esp since you were so kind as to add the +/-2 ;)

[beck]

Here's a replacement set of clips that hopefully won't get blocked:

1.4: https://youtu.be/mAclFpbS7hY
1.4 +4: https://youtu.be/a9kpE3OLXzY
1.6: https://youtu.be/E0BjPJJgvjQ

To me 1.4+4 is best here.

I think you are on a good track....... :-)

[beck]

Thanks. 1.4+2 for me (esp since you were so kind as to add the +/-2 ;)

I agree that 1.4+2 is better than 1.4-2.



Comparing across your posts I find 1.4+2 ever slightly better than 1.4+4 but they are close.

[lejonklou]

I think you need to go much lower.

Start at 0.4 and compare with 0.6, 0.8, 1.0 and 1.2. Then you can go to your favorite value around 1.4.

[ThomasOK]

wow that was fast - thats also what I hear - can I borrow your ears for another one please?

Clip 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w6dr6wtcz7evd ... 3.mov?dl=0

Clip 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eq8o14zdr84bb ... 3.mov?dl=0

Clip 2 says my ears ... :-)

I can't keep up!
Clip 2 better and original feet better on previous clips.

[ThomasOK]

Things are happening so fast in this thread, I hope I don't step on any toes with this post!

Here's a couple clips comparing a change I made to the speakers. The change is permanent so I hope you agree it's an improvement!

Clip 1:
A: https://youtu.be/KdzGwA99H0Y
B: https://youtu.be/G9Y6zok6IRc

Clip 2:
A: https://youtu.be/BY_PW0-YkNA
B: https://youtu.be/5gmkCHz1zcA

Enjoy!

I like A better, somehow better timing

I'm pretty much with the group on this. There is a more clear sound to B clips but the timing is messed up and the tone isn't quite right. On Clip 2 I was looking for my control pad so I could play Super Mario Bros.

[markiteight]

On Clip 2 I was looking for my control pad so I could play Super Mario Bros.

Haha. Ok...I'll lay off the Postal Service, but they're a fun, somewhat eclectic group.

I think you need to go much lower.

Start at 0.4 and compare with 0.6, 0.8, 1.0 and 1.2. Then you can go to your favorite value around 1.4.

I heeded your advice and...
0.4: Not great
0.6: A bit better
0.8: Sat transfixed through 3 albums
1.0: Not quite as good as 0.8 but better than 0.6
1.2: Stiff

Here's where I am currently:
0.8 -2: https://youtu.be/GS0XstYW5CM
0.8: https://youtu.be/Lgs-WAPkIpc
0.8 +2: https://youtu.be/xH7DyXge15s

I'm leaning toward 0.8-2 but I've been known to be wrong on occasion. ;-)

[tokenbrit]

Slight preference for 0.8 myself, but have to say I'm struggling to decide with this track... Also, what happened to your favorite value around 1.4 for comparison?

[beck]

Slight preference for 0.8 myself,.......

+1

[Charlie1]

Slight preference for 0.8 myself,.......

+1

+1

[Charlie1]

1.4: https://youtu.be/mAclFpbS7hY
1.4 +4: https://youtu.be/a9kpE3OLXzY
1.6: https://youtu.be/E0BjPJJgvjQ

1.4 for me but all seem quite close

[Charlie1]

Thanks. 1.4+2 for me (esp since you were so kind as to add the +/-2 ;)

+1
Both were good though

[ThomasOK]

Great, I hear exactly the same difference. RB2 is better. :-)

Still trying to catch up. Yesterday didn't help with the Linn Karousel news keeping me on the phone a lot.

I prefer RB and RB2 as well.

[V.A.MKD]

Great, I hear exactly the same difference. RB2 is better. :-)

Still trying to catch up. Yesterday didn't help with the Linn Karousel news keeping me on the phone a lot.

I prefer RB and RB2 as well.

+1 ...

[V.A.MKD]

Slight preference for 0.8 myself,.......

+1

+1

+1

[ThomasOK]

Slight preference for 0.8 myself,.......

+ another one. I agree .8 is better, although it is more than a slight preference for me. Now I would recommend trying .8+1 and .8-1.

[markiteight]

Slight preference for 0.8 myself, but have to say I'm struggling to decide with this track... Also, what happened to your favorite value around 1.4 for comparison?

Here 'ya be:
0.8: https://youtu.be/usThkVKzJP8
1.4 +2: https://youtu.be/wT8lLD1Vd2E

Last night it got to the point where I had to put the torque wrench down and just play some music. I then found that I wasn't really getting along with 0.8-2. It's not like it was poor musically, more that the sound wasn't very appetizing. I don't care how musical a system is, I don't like being shouted at!

This afternoon I gave it another go and after thinking about it I realized I may have been a bit dismissive of the higher torques...possibly some expectation bias coming into play, so I gave them another go:

1.0: https://youtu.be/OxuBdm95sSM
1.2: https://youtu.be/f4sXaFeppBs

[tokenbrit]

Prefer 1.2 and 1.4+2 over 0.8 and 1.0, but struggling to pick a winner... Percussion is a bit insistent on the clips, and I feel like 1.2 is a little easier to get on with in that regard, but still liking 1.4+2... Just not sure if it might be too much (of a good thing)
The fence is getting a little uncomfortable so I'm going to leave it there for now so that others can comment ;)

[V.A.MKD]

Slight preference for 0.8 myself, but have to say I'm struggling to decide with this track... Also, what happened to your favorite value around 1.4 for comparison?

Here 'ya be:
0.8: https://youtu.be/usThkVKzJP8
1.4 +2: https://youtu.be/wT8lLD1Vd2E

Last night it got to the point where I had to put the torque wrench down and just play some music. I then found that I wasn't really getting along with 0.8-2. It's not like it was poor musically, more that the sound wasn't very appetizing. I don't care how musical a system is, I don't like being shouted at!

This afternoon I gave it another go and after thinking about it I realized I may have been a bit dismissive of the higher torques...possibly some expectation bias coming into play, so I gave them another go:

1.0: https://youtu.be/OxuBdm95sSM
1.2: https://youtu.be/f4sXaFeppBs

For me 0.8 ...
Comparing to the other torques ... I stay on my first decision 0.8, I can elaborate why, but at the end of a day ... 0.8 (here dot and smile)

[beck]

I give up deciding on what is the right number here but more importantly your system markiteight is playing lovely music again. :-)

[Charlie1]

Here 'ya be:
0.8: https://youtu.be/usThkVKzJP8
1.4 +2: https://youtu.be/wT8lLD1Vd2E

Last night it got to the point where I had to put the torque wrench down and just play some music. I then found that I wasn't really getting along with 0.8-2. It's not like it was poor musically, more that the sound wasn't very appetizing. I don't care how musical a system is, I don't like being shouted at!

This afternoon I gave it another go and after thinking about it I realized I may have been a bit dismissive of the higher torques...possibly some expectation bias coming into play, so I gave them another go:

1.0: https://youtu.be/OxuBdm95sSM
1.2: https://youtu.be/f4sXaFeppBs

I preferred 1.0 to 1.2 but the rest I wasn't so sure about.
I think 0.8 had the edge over 1.4 +2
Between 0.8 and 1.2 was close but think I'll side with Vlado on 0.8.
Not helped by my work laptop which can't play the clips continuously today - excuses, exuses! :)

That sax does sound mighty fine though.

[Defender]

difficult - is there a chance to hear the 2 or 3 options you want to work further with but different music?
0.8 was fine but also 1.2 but I am not 100% convinced one of the two is already the optimum

[beck]

Trying without headphones only listening to my ipad speakers:

I am on the 0.8 team (Vlado, Charlie1) again. :-)

[V.A.MKD]

Slight preference for 0.8 myself,.......

+ another one. I agree .8 is better, although it is more than a slight preference for me. Now I would recommend trying .8+1 and .8-1.

Yes ThomasOK, absolutely in that direction ...

[Defender]

I might be thrown out of the forum for this but what I have experienced when I am close to the optimum setting I put on a recording with a nice kickdrum. The kickdrum either sounds lazy and unengaged or bloated ... and just right fast and dry when you hit the spot