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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

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I prefer the Normal clips over the Something New, Charlie1 - new feels like clarity at the expense of the music... and I don't think it's me being kanservative when it comes to change :/
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Might as well say what it is now, cos I'm not keen either.

'Something New' is one of these, but without the shelf fitted since it's very solid without it:
https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/lack-coffe ... -80111339/

It's basically a Lack table that's long enough to house the Radikal and Nait (or Radikal, NAC12 and NAP110).

The creator of the TimeTable says it's ideal to place the entire system on their tables so that micro vibrations (or is it mircophonics) are kept the same. Since the LP12 is on a Lack then I thought it might provide an improvement.

I agree with tokenbrit it provides better sound at the expense of the music.
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I hear more different tunes with „something new“ but „normal“ makes more sense to me - I would prefer „normal“.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

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I am still clocking the platter.

which position sounds best to you ... out of those 3:

Position 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fl2457mt3bmlu ... 4.mov?dl=0

Position 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ylsvn3x4tdpg ... 1.mov?dl=0

Position 3
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y48q0w95jyu6r ... 0.mov?dl=0
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

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Mmm, pass :)

I went around in circles with that one and then couldn't really hear anything anymore, if you know what I mean.

Again, looks like they were recorded at different times. Maybe it would be best to take clips one after the other as I wonder if other factors are playing a part in addition to the clocking.
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Charlie1 wrote: 2020-02-08 18:32 I must get 'Oh Well' on vinyl since I only have it on a best of CD - I suspect an abridged version. I was confused though cos I bought 'Then Play On' sometime last year and my copy doesn't have 'Oh Well' on it. Looking at Wiki, it appears to have been added to a revised version. Shame. Looking forward to hearing the whole track as you suggest :)
It turns out this piece of music has a very interesting and convoluted history. It was one of the last two songs Peter Green (who some at the time considered a bigger guitar god than Eric Clapton) wrote for Fleetwood Mac before succumbing to the problems caused by too many hits of acid. It was written in two parts and Green considered part 1 to be a "throwaway riff" putting his energy into part two on which he is said to have played all the instruments except the piano (although I wonder if Fleetwood didn't do the drumming near the end, but it's relatively simple drumming so who knows).

Green was surprised when the record company decided to make "Oh Well" a single rather than put it on the album (as was common practice in the 60s) and lobbied unsuccessfully to have part 2 be the A side. It ended up the B side with part 1 the A side. Fleetwood and McVie bet Green 8 pounds apiece that "Oh Well" would flop. Instead it hit #2 on the UK charts and stayed in the charts for 16 weeks also charting elsewhere. It was also the first Fleetwood Mac song to chart in the US although it only reached #55.

After the single came out "Oh Well" was added to the US versions of "Then Play On" joining the two parts of the track into one 8:56 piece simply entitled "Oh Well". This is what is on my record, but may explain why I had such a hard time hunting it down years ago when I fell in love with the second part of the track. It wasn't on early US pressings of the record and I don't think it was on any UK pressings. So it might be hard to track down but certainly worth it.
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Tendaberry wrote: 2020-02-10 15:02 Hi all, due to a "freezing" problem with my ADSM, I had to do a factory reset and go from my favourite Davaar 4.67.262 to the newest 4.75.355. What do you think, is the new one (clip 2) bearable?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kic89nltyai8b ... 4.mov?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/34f5nvy1yzwxr ... 1.mov?dl=0
I definitely prefer clip 1. I find clip 2 somewhat irritating.
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tokenbrit wrote: 2020-02-11 15:23 I prefer the Normal clips over the Something New, Charlie1 - new feels like clarity at the expense of the music... and I don't think it's me being kanservative when it comes to change :/
You know what they say, new isn't necessarily better. Yeah, I'm liking the old versions better than the new, Charlie1, they just gel better. I found it easier to hear on the second track but that may just be because I like the music better. ;-)
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Defender wrote: 2020-02-11 18:20 I am still clocking the platter.

which position sounds best to you ... out of those 3:

Position 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fl2457mt3bmlu ... 4.mov?dl=0

Position 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ylsvn3x4tdpg ... 1.mov?dl=0

Position 3
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y48q0w95jyu6r ... 0.mov?dl=0
I find position 1 best and position 3 worst. Rhythm gets less well timed with each step.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

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Tom+1
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

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thank you Charlie and Thomas
I can understand that you felt like running around in circles as those positions are not far away to each other (probably 2 minutes steps) and the song is not a „nice“ recording.

I actually thought 2 is best than 1 than 3 but sometimes I need to live with a position/setup for a moment to completely enjoy it.

Thomas - for the Fleetwood Mac/Peter Green on vinyl do you happen to have a discogs number of the pressing?

edit: seems to be the 11 track versions (instead of 12 tracks) from 1970
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

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Defender wrote: 2020-02-11 22:01 .. those positions are not far away to each other (probably 2 minutes steps) and the song is not a „nice“ recording.
I thought the 'not nice' recording made it a bit easier, as I was aware I got less & less comfortable with the clips, in order, as I listened to them. I was surprised how the sound changed along with the musicality - wasn't expecting that with clocking the platter.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

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tokenbrit wrote: 2020-02-11 21:48Tom+1
I agree.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

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Charlie1 wrote: 2020-02-11 14:37 Something cheap to try out arrived today. This one is a surprise. Same Nait/LP12 in each clip.

Normal:
1. https://www.dropbox.com/s/c1nll6cqug21c ... D.MOV?dl=0
2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpjatdwni8vlx ... D.MOV?dl=0

Something New:
1. https://www.dropbox.com/s/lqmedcx15olqz ... D.MOV?dl=0
2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zkeobd59zhrug ... D.MOV?dl=0

The volume is identical on track 2. Just had to match as best as possible for track 1. If I'd have thought about it beforehand I should have used a track with similar volume.
Normal is best.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

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Hmmmm ...
Make decision on Clip / Track 2, one is ...
I choose "Something New".
Background:
More tune & emotions in vocal and additional accompanying vocals ...
Charlie1 wrote: 2020-02-11 14:37 Something cheap to try out arrived today. This one is a surprise. Same Nait/LP12 in each clip.

Normal:
1. https://www.dropbox.com/s/c1nll6cqug21c ... D.MOV?dl=0
2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpjatdwni8vlx ... D.MOV?dl=0

Something New:
1. https://www.dropbox.com/s/lqmedcx15olqz ... D.MOV?dl=0
2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zkeobd59zhrug ... D.MOV?dl=0

The volume is identical on track 2. Just had to match as best as possible for track 1. If I'd have thought about it beforehand I should have used a track with similar volume.
Music First ...
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Here is easier ... :)
The Best is Position 1;
- 2nd Position 2;
- 3rd Position 3.
From Position 1 to 3 looks like the bend is loosing concentration ... rhythm ...
Defender wrote: 2020-02-11 18:20 I am still clocking the platter.

which position sounds best to you ... out of those 3:

Position 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fl2457mt3bmlu ... 4.mov?dl=0

Position 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ylsvn3x4tdpg ... 1.mov?dl=0

Position 3
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y48q0w95jyu6r ... 0.mov?dl=0
Music First ...
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

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ThomasOK wrote: 2020-02-11 21:07
Defender wrote: 2020-02-11 18:20 I am still clocking the platter.

which position sounds best to you ... out of those 3:

Position 1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fl2457mt3bmlu ... 4.mov?dl=0

Position 2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ylsvn3x4tdpg ... 1.mov?dl=0

Position 3
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y48q0w95jyu6r ... 0.mov?dl=0
I find position 1 best and position 3 worst. Rhythm gets less well timed with each step.
I agree, position 1 is best.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

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ThomasOK wrote: 2020-02-11 20:52
Tendaberry wrote: 2020-02-10 15:02 Hi all, due to a "freezing" problem with my ADSM, I had to do a factory reset and go from my favourite Davaar 4.67.262 to the newest 4.75.355. What do you think, is the new one (clip 2) bearable?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kic89nltyai8b ... 4.mov?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/34f5nvy1yzwxr ... 1.mov?dl=0
I definitely prefer clip 1. I find clip 2 somewhat irritating.
Thanks for all the feedback. The tragic thing is that the new software seems to have cured the freezing problem. Going to stay with it a few more days to see if it's really gone and then try switching back to 4.67.262, hoping it won't return.
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Tendaberry wrote: 2020-02-12 11:33
ThomasOK wrote: 2020-02-11 20:52
Tendaberry wrote: 2020-02-10 15:02 Hi all, due to a "freezing" problem with my ADSM, I had to do a factory reset and go from my favourite Davaar 4.67.262 to the newest 4.75.355. What do you think, is the new one (clip 2) bearable?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kic89nltyai8b ... 4.mov?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/34f5nvy1yzwxr ... 1.mov?dl=0
I definitely prefer clip 1. I find clip 2 somewhat irritating.
Thanks for all the feedback. The tragic thing is that the new software seems to have cured the freezing problem. Going to stay with it a few more days to see if it's really gone and then try switching back to 4.67.262, hoping it won't return.
It's not tragic ...
Use it several days and make a Clip ... than go "beck" and also make Clip, but this time make Clips with some not so good recorded song (20 seconds max) ... and post it here again ...
Sometime it's really hard to make decision on a basis on a Clip ... in your room situation can be totally different ...
Take for example ThomasOK Clips with his room, with and with out Sub-woofer ... there was as well different opinions ...
Music First ...
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

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Tendaberry wrote: 2020-02-12 11:33 Thanks for all the feedback. The tragic thing is that the new software seems to have cured the freezing problem. Going to stay with it a few more days to see if it's really gone and then try switching back to 4.67.262, hoping it won't return.
need to check what version I am using but I think I am using the same but on an ADS Katalyst - have not noticed a freezing issue. Does the devices freezes or are you not able to control it from the control app.
I am using Lumin to control and the newer versions loose connection to the ADS so I have to close the app and open it again.
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tokenbrit wrote: 2020-02-12 01:27 I thought the 'not nice' recording made it a bit easier, as I was aware I got less & less comfortable with the clips, in order, as I listened to them. I was surprised how the sound changed along with the musicality - wasn't expecting that with clocking the platter.
that was the reason why I used it

two interesting things:

Position 1 was the first recorded and the power amps have not even been completely warmed up (so Position 1 was even more at a disadvantage) but between the first and last recording are only 40 minutes.

Position 3 is between position 1 and 2

what I noticed is when I put my finger at the plinth on the right front corner and touch the armboard - Position 1 is the one where I feel the vibrations from the motor the least.

when I start my turntable the complete armboard goes through a shaking process until the final speed arrived - I assume this is to some extend normal but I want to x-check with you guys?

my outer platter seems to have a very narrow opening to the inner platter
It is difficult to center it so it doesnt touch the inner platter cylinder.
Two post-it stripes (one on each side) are too thick - might try again with kitchen aluminum foil
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TV in the room Vs No TV in the room

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I thought I’d try removing the TV and recording the the before and after. To keep the “If you haven’t listened blind, the test is invalid” brigade happy, I’ll reveal which is which when a few people have had a chance to listen.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2bw5oi4f48h ... fiyqa?dl=0
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

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Thanks for all the feedback. The tragic thing is that the new software seems to have cured the freezing problem. Going to stay with it a few more days to see if it's really gone and then try switching back to 4.67.262, hoping it won't return.


You could always try the intermediate version Davaar 4.70......
I quite like it at klimax level.
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Re: TV in the room Vs No TV in the room

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Spannko wrote: 2020-02-12 14:09 I thought I’d try removing the TV and recording the the before and after. To keep the “If you haven’t listened blind, the test is invalid” brigade happy, I’ll reveal which is which when a few people have had a chance to listen.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2bw5oi4f48h ... fiyqa?dl=0
I will look forward to you revealing which is which! I simply cannot guess by listening and watching! :-)
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Charlie1 wrote: 2020-02-11 17:01 Might as well say what it is now, cos I'm not keen either.

'Something New' is one of these, but without the shelf fitted since it's very solid without it:
https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/lack-coffe ... -80111339/

It's basically a Lack table that's long enough to house the Radikal and Nait (or Radikal, NAC12 and NAP110).
Ah, what needs to follow then are clips without shelf vs with ;)
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