Playground for practical listening exercices

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by ThomasOK » 2020-02-01 00:14

I don't have either. I don't listen to headphones very much at all preferring the sound from speakers. I think I have a pair of SR60s around the house somewhere but haven't listened to them in a couple of years. I work at a store where we have almost all the Grados on demo and did a big listening session when they were the i series a few years back. As I recall at that time I really liked the SR125i and the PS500. Something I need to revisit with the newer models at some point.

If you are referring to listening to these clips, I normally just use the speakers built into the iMac on my desk, which is a several year old model.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by V.A.MKD » 2020-02-01 07:22

Thank you Thomas, for your prompt and in detail answer.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2020-02-04 08:44

Three different takes. The cd version has a lowered recording level intro with claves. Then recording level rise with the drums entering. Volume is not leveled between the clips but I find comparing interesting all the same.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2020-02-04 09:08

They get progressively better for me, with the Klyde being most enjoyable.

I could live with either, especially if I'd not heard the next one.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by V.A.MKD » 2020-02-04 09:46

No. 1 ... Klyde;
No. 2 & 3 ... CD and AT, slightly toward CD.

If there was not Klyde, than both are close, but in different way of presentation ...
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2020-02-04 10:03

I can follow the thoughts from both of you and no doubt that the Klyde produce the result I want.

The AT33PTG/II is a great tracker but not going to stay in my setup for a second term. I will have to look elsewhere.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by V.A.MKD » 2020-02-04 10:40

Maybe Adikt, as a option ... will fit to L & L product lines ...
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I can follow the thoughts from both of you and no doubt that the Klyde produce the result I want.

The AT33PTG/II is a great tracker but not going to stay in my setup for a second term. I will have to look elsewhere.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2020-02-04 10:58

V.A.MKD wrote:
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Maybe Adikt, as a option ... will fit to L & L product lines ...
beck wrote: I can follow the thoughts from both of you and no doubt that the Klyde produce the result I want.

The AT33PTG/II is a great tracker but not going to stay in my setup for a second term. I will have to look elsewhere.
Yes, I have thought about going the mm rute. Time will tell........

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by V.A.MKD » 2020-02-04 11:32

What is your Pre-amp, amp ???
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Maybe Adikt, as a option ... will fit to L & L product lines ...
beck wrote: I can follow the thoughts from both of you and no doubt that the Klyde produce the result I want.

The AT33PTG/II is a great tracker but not going to stay in my setup for a second term. I will have to look elsewhere.
Yes, I have thought about going the mm rute. Time will tell........
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2020-02-04 12:41

Linto phono/lk100

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by V.A.MKD » 2020-02-04 12:58

With TT & Klyde sound is fantastic ... music ...
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Spannko » 2020-02-04 17:34

The easiest decision is to discard the AT cartridge. How can a manufacturer of equipment designed to reproduce music get it so wrong? Both rhythm and tune are all over the place!

OTOH, you’ve done a great job on your CD player! Not quite as good as your Klyde, but great for an old CD player which can be picked up for peanuts!

So, the Klyde was the best for me too, even with it being knackered out (the bass struggles a bit, tune-wise).

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2020-02-04 19:18

Thank you for the comments. As we all know the Klyde is no more so my cart road from here is still unknown to me.

In the meantime cd has become so enjoyable that my collection most certainly will grow. :-)

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by ThomasOK » 2020-02-04 21:24

Ahhh! There we go, the lovely Klyde. Not too thrilled with the AT but did enjoy listening to the CD player all the way through. Who'd have thought it from such a modest CD machine. Of course, the Klyde is streets better. You might check into Goldring rebuilding it since they made it in the first place. Then again maybe you can manage to crystallize something even better.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Lego » 2020-02-04 21:28

Klyde for me, it was one of my favourite cartridges along with the basik
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2020-02-05 10:43

Thank you all. It is amazing what knowledge can be gained by filming ones hifi in action! :-)

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by V.A.MKD » 2020-02-05 12:05

That is why I'm "beck" :) ... here and at home and at music ... :)
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by u252agz » 2020-02-05 14:24

It is the Klyde which is the stand out one here - the CD only being remarkable for the fact that an older machine can produce something that is quite listenable.

I struggle to understand why the AT33 sounds so discordant - when the Klyde sounds so good - I did not think cartridges could make such fundamental differences to the musicality.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2020-02-05 14:48

u252agz wrote:
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It is the Klyde which is the stand out one here - the CD only being remarkable for the fact that an older machine can produce something that is quite listenable.

I struggle to understand why the AT33 sounds so discordant - when the Klyde sounds so good - I did not think cartridges could make such fundamental differences to the musicality.
I blame the microline cut of the needle. All clips on this forum has pointed towards conical, eliptical and supereliptical (Klyde, vital cut, set up by me) as the musical ones. They are musical even if the setup is not perfect.
Then again it could just be my setup skills that has failed (but I did try for a long time).

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by V.A.MKD » 2020-02-05 18:48

- Try again with all parameters of the set - up of AT ...
- Break - In time ...
- Live performance can be different ...
As option why "AT33 sounds so discordant" ...
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2020-02-05 14:24
It is the Klyde which is the stand out one here - the CD only being remarkable for the fact that an older machine can produce something that is quite listenable.

I struggle to understand why the AT33 sounds so discordant - when the Klyde sounds so good - I did not think cartridges could make such fundamental differences to the musicality.
I blame the microline cut of the needle. All clips on this forum has pointed towards conical, eliptical and supereliptical (Klyde, vital cut, set up by me) as the musical ones. They are musical even if the setup is not perfect.
Then again it could just be my setup skills that has failed (but I did try for a long time).
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Defender » 2020-02-05 19:44

is this AT 33 also having a rubber type interface to the arm? maybe it has to do with torque

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2020-02-05 20:22

Defender wrote:
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is this AT 33 also having a rubber type interface to the arm? maybe it has to do with torque
Yes and torque can play a role also..............

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by ThomasOK » 2020-02-05 23:56

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Spannko » 2020-02-06 01:18

The second one sounds pretty special. Would you mind recording a few hundred vids for me? They’d make excellent bed time listening!

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Post by Ron The Mon » 2020-02-06 05:27

ThomasOK wrote:
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Here are a couple of clips from a change in my system:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zrv8nrocq9tit ... m.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o19oyd3riugnv ... m.mov?dl=0
Tom,
How long did it take you to make that change?

Do you think it is as big an improvement as I told you it would be? It sounds much more dynamic just over my iPhone speaker.

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