Playground for practical listening exercices

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Spannko » 2019-03-19 12:01

Wise? I’m not so sure about that one beck!

Re: The Wam Show.

For me, it’s easily the most enjoyable show on the circuit. What I really like is the ability to hear a wide range of alternative approaches to design, spread over almost the entire history of reproduced music.

As a very broad generalisation, the “Sound of the 70’s” gets my vote! Very sweet, smooth, clear - just a lovely sound. Find something which can also knock out a tune, and then you’ve got yourself a bit of a gem!

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2019-03-20 15:10

Been there, done that....... :-)

What is really interesting is the “sum of all parts”. That is why clips are a gift. There are some clever guys is the cartridge business but in the end it all comes down to what we hear in front of our speakers at home.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Spannko » 2019-03-20 18:35

Thought you might have done!

I was interested in what could be done with a Denon 103. The mods that people have done clearly make a difference, and I think that maybe one of them even managed to make it better than the original! Then the geezer played an Asaka - oh dear - game over! He even played it for about 10 times longer than the others - as if to really rub it in just how much better it was!

However, I still wonder what could be done with the 103 if someone used a pitch based method of assessment during the modification process.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2019-03-28 10:57

Spannko wrote: However, I still wonder what could be done with the 103 if someone used a pitch based method of assessment during the modification process.
Yes, that is key. I have now taken a second, third, fourth.... look at the setup of my AT33 and I have managed to get out of the “hifi” mode and into the “tune” mode loving the music I hear from my system. The AT cannot reach Klyde standard but it is now my mini Klyde. :-)

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2019-03-31 16:57

Final comment on my AT33PTG/II:

To me it is worth the money. Not a Klyde but when playing I do not miss much. You have to be careful when setting it up to get a fully musical sound from it. Use your ears as always.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2019-04-02 06:06

Spannko wrote: However, I still wonder what could be done with the 103 if someone used a pitch based method of assessment during the modification process.
Maybe this is what we are looking for:

https://www.zuaudio.com/turntable/zudl-103

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2019-04-17 22:39

I fear this one may divide opinion but we'll see.

A change to the LP12.

LP12 suspension probably not settled after transit and whole system cold with Radikal/Urika not used for a few weeks.

Also, my favourite red LED Nait is having its volume control fixed so this is the green LED version.

Option 1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/l0kc4ekfizv6z ... 9.MOV?dl=0
Option 2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/njyrl151syovy ... 0.MOV?dl=0

Volume is the same, although one sounds a bit louder to me.

Oh, and apologies for my choice in music (again).

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by markiteight » 2019-04-18 05:11

Charlie1 wrote:
2019-04-17 22:39
I fear this one may divide opinion but we'll see.

A change to the LP12.

LP12 suspension probably not settled after transit and whole system cold with Radikal/Urika not used for a few weeks.

Also, my favourite red LED Nait is having its volume control fixed so this is the green LED version.

Option 1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/l0kc4ekfizv6z ... 9.MOV?dl=0
Option 2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/njyrl151syovy ... 0.MOV?dl=0

Volume is the same, although one sounds a bit louder to me.

Oh, and apologies for my choice in music (again).
Option 2. It's almost a different song!

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2019-04-18 11:37

Option 2 for me also.

In the first clip I hear it as if the interplay between the instruments and singer stiffens and the music starts to crack caring less about the rest of the band members contribution to the song.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Spannko » 2019-04-18 12:37

Option 2 for me too. The organ notes are more harmonious and Cliffy and his band play together much more naturally.

I had the misfortune to attend one of his concerts because my wife was a huge Cliffy fan. The sound quality was the best I’ve ever heard - it was like a big HiFi system, but jeez, was it boring! Cliffy should never have sacked the Shad’s - they were brilliant!

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Ianw » 2019-04-18 15:25

Option 2 for me. Sounds like two different systems.

Talking about The Shads and sound quality. There farewell gig DVD in Cardiff; the sound quality is epic, this was setup and production was done by someone who really knows his craft. IMHO

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Ianw » 2019-04-18 15:26

Ianw wrote:
2019-04-18 15:25
Option 2 for me. Sounds like two different systems.

Talking about The Shads and sound quality. Their farewell gig DVD in Cardiff; the sound quality is epic, this was setup and production was done by someone who really knows his craft. IMHO

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Matteo » 2019-04-19 08:35

Option 2, especially for bass.

Option 1 is lifeless.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2019-04-19 08:36

Option 1 is the new (thicker) Linn belt.
Option 2 is my original.

I definitely preferred the new Linn belt at my dealer's showroom. It sounded more natural and less analytical to me. This was via a modern Linn 350 system. I think it was Urika 2 and have to say it was sounding really good.

However, back home and I didn't like it. I did clock the platter as well. I tried it again the following day once the system was warmed up and it was the same.

Note that you can only swap belts with Lingo 4 and Radikal. Other setups will require manual speed adjustment. It takes the Radikal much longer to dim the LED after the belt swap. I assume it must remember the previous setup cos normally the LED dims a few seconds after getting the platter up to speed.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Matteo » 2019-04-19 09:39

Is the belt mounted on the proper side?
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2019-04-19 09:43

My dealer always orientates and marks the belts which is very useful.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by lejonklou » 2019-04-19 09:48

Interesting.

I tested the new Linn belt at Axpona on a latest version, top level LP12. The only part that differed from "Linn Klimax spec" was the phono stage (SINGularity instead of Urika).

The old belt was much better. Big difference.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by markiteight » 2019-04-20 06:10

I have a conundrum. I'd love to hear what y'all make of this:

Option 1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6cv2f5j9fvy2x ... 9.MOV?dl=0
Option 2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/424t3ppsnldrh ... 0.MOV?dl=0

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2019-04-20 06:49

I have no further comments on the sound. Tokenbrit put it elegantly in words on your “system tread”.

My question would be to you markiteight: which setup would feed your interest in the music long term?

Try living with each setup for a week or maybe longer not going back and forth. Notice your listening patterns during that period and return to us with your own answer. :-)

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Charlie1 » 2019-04-20 09:11

Clip 1 is technically better and sounds very good. Everything is well structured and tuneful. Clip 2 has ‘something’ I like as well. Maybe some element of the timing comes across better to my ears. I really don’t know. Like beck said, perhaps live with each option a short while. This does sound like the previous comparison on your thread but perhaps just coincidence.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by Spannko » 2019-04-20 10:42

I prefer the timing in clip 2 too. Clip one sounds hurried.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by u252agz » 2019-04-22 14:57

I prefer Clip 2.

I agree timing is better- sounds more musical to me.
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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by markiteight » 2019-04-22 19:55

Thank you everybody for your feedback. What you're listening to are two different pairs of Linn Silver interconnects between phono stage and preamp.

Option 2 is a repost of a clip from my system thread, option 1 is new.

There have been a number of discussions on this forum, especially by Fredrik, about the wide variability of Silver's performance, even a particular cable can vary over time. Both pairs under scrutiny here are early style and factory terminated, but they sound different. In the room the difference is quite large indeed, with one sounding bigger, more impressive, more rhythmic. An alluring and distracting combination. The other sounds softer and smaller but more relaxed and flowing.

For a while I have suspected I have a Silver that's "going bad." This be my conundrum. I thought some people on here might be interested in hearing what that sounds like.

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Re: Playground for practical listening exercices

Post by beck » 2019-04-22 19:57

Great markiteight! Very well done. Use your blacks. :-)

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