I left the first KK clip in cos it's a better match to the Kikkin in terms of seating position. What I did notice is that (to me) KK clip 2 sounds better with the iphone positioned slightly further back. What do you guys think? There is also a tiny difference in volume between the two KK clips as I tried to match it to the Kikkin but it's so small that I don't think this is what's making the difference.
I would like to try the latest Sagaton Monos at home eventually but I need to wait for their second hand value to drop first.
Nice tune!
Are all these clips recorded at same occasion?
Next time...I prefer that the recording start before the tune is starting and to better be able to compare, same recording position on all clips please ;)
Music Lover wrote:Next time...I prefer that the recording start before the tune is starting and to better be able to compare, same recording position on all clips please ;)
I particularly like that part of the song but thanks for the feedback - I appreciate it's nice to hear things build from the beginning so will try to remember that for next time.
Incidentally, do folks need a minute or so of music? A few have already said they make up their mind in 5-10 seconds so it would save space and upload time. Maybe 30 seconds is sufficient?
I suspect that the ATCs are more fullrange when heard in the room.
Musically, however, a number of things strike me when hearing these two clips. One is that on the JBL's, the drummer plays much more interesting, adding to the tension of the song. On the ATCs there is no interplay, he just hits the drums rhythmically.
Quite similar to before in that the JBLs strike me as particularly effortless and easy to follow the music.
These clips really give us a flavour of how the speakers sound in the room and how much their presentation differs. I'd worry that I would miss all that bass from the ATCs. It's probably a no brainer for someone who has stand mounts but these two speakers sound so different and the system with ATCs delivers such great control of the bass. I'm curious how the JBLs have been affecting your enjoyment so far but perhaps that's for another thread. It's hard on this side of the fence to really gauge the musical performance gap, for me at least - i.e. is it small or very significant?
The JBL's are certainly more rockin, all the instruments and vocals support each other. The ATC's sound like separate pieces that don't connect. I especially like the chorus on the JBL's, the vocals still shine through and you can easily hear all the instruments, instead of it all collasping into a bit of a mess on the ATC's.
I am in the JBL camp. I think we are getting nearer the sound that is heard in the studio behind the "desk" when mixing the track. It is more a kind of live sound to me.
I can see why people are getting excited about the JBL's! On the Green Day clip, they are clearly more musical than the ATC's and even make the ATC's sound incoherent and HiFi like. The ATC's would bore me, but the musicality of the JBL's is right up my alley!
Sums it up perfectly.
The tune on JBL makes me feel partying, the tune on ATC makes me feel "time to turn off and go to bed".
And as Fredrik wrote, the stands going to further enhance the performance. (not heard them myself yet but Christian and Fredrik are all over the moon...)
I have not compared to the originals (they should be even better) but the reisued all analog mono recordings easily walks all over my stereo Beatles vinyl (all digital remasters 1. and second generation) when using the Tune Method.
The funny thing is that on the reissued vinyl "Love Me Do" on the singles compilation is a digital copy of a vinyl disk because the original master "was not kept" as it says in the sleeve notes (and you can hear it).
I tried some fleece between Isoblue shelves but that didn't work. It was quick to do and easy to tell the difference - I appreciate this isn't what Ron had it in mind for when discussed in the other thread.
Also tried Skeets under the Archidee. Took a while between tests so I recorded the difference if anyone is interested. I'm a Skeets off man when it comes to the Archidee on carpet so no improvements unearthed this time around:
I felt quite certain about this. I listen again and now I'm not sure and think you might be right. I'm obviously struggling and not sure why. I'm confused. Maybe I associate a more homogeneous sound as being better, similar to Isoblue vs Archidee. But then I made this decision on how the different instruments and vocals were for me to follow at the same time. It just seemed better all round. So how can I hear it differently now? Maybe I should accept I just don't have a good ear for this. But then it's a bit rubbish if I have to post everything on the forum so other people can make my own decisions for me. Kind of undermines the who idea of making your own decisions based on a dem.
Thanks both for comparing. I actually added the Skeets back after Beck's initial post. I'll leave it like this a while and see how it pans out. I'd say that for me any benefit is pretty small in the grand scheme of things.
I'm trying to understand what I heard that made me think the other clip was better. I need to have a listen tomorrow when I'm not so tired but the original files on my laptop seem much closer. I can definitely hear what you guys are saying when played directly from dropbox and agree with-skeets is better. Odd.
