Tendaberry wrote: ↑2020-04-22 11:30 Maybe it's time for me to make some clips comparing 0,55 to 0,8 Nm?

It is always time for clips! :-)

I agree - impressive how torques can change the overall quality

Tendaberry wrote: ↑2020-04-22 11:30 Maybe it's time for me to make some clips comparing 0,55 to 0,8 Nm?

You’re on! I’ll do a couple of recordings tonight 🙂

Spannko wrote: ↑2020-04-22 13:02

Tendaberry wrote: ↑2020-04-22 11:30 Maybe it's time for me to make some clips comparing 0,55 to 0,8 Nm?

You’re on! I’ll do a couple of recordings tonight 🙂

Have you tried 0.85Nm? It should be relatively close to the .8Nm+3 notches Fredrik and I prefer.

Here’s a couple of sets of recordings of the 3k array torqued to 0.55Nm or 0.80Nm in no particular order.

Which do you prefer. Set A or set B?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0d4dct6m748 ... fRNza?dl=0

ThomasOK. I can’t remember tbh, so I’ll have a listen tomorrow.

EDIT: Changed the higher torque to read 0.80Nm (from 0.90Nm).

Spannko wrote: ↑2020-04-23 00:50 Here’s a couple of sets of recordings of the 3k array torqued to 0.55Nm or 0.90Nm in no particular order.

Which do you prefer. Set A or set B?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0d4dct6m748 ... fRNza?dl=0

ThomasOK. I can’t remember tbh, so I’ll have a listen tomorrow.

Hmm, this will be interesting: I think I preferred the A clips in all cases.
I worked too long last night, didn't have time to make any clips. Hopefully tomorrow.

Tendaberry wrote: ↑2020-04-23 10:25

Spannko wrote: ↑2020-04-23 00:50 Here’s a couple of sets of recordings of the 3k array torqued to 0.55Nm or 0.90Nm in no particular order.

Which do you prefer. Set A or set B?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0d4dct6m748 ... fRNza?dl=0

ThomasOK. I can’t remember tbh, so I’ll have a listen tomorrow.

Hmm, this will be interesting: I think I preferred the A clips in all cases.
I worked too long last night, didn't have time to make any clips. Hopefully tomorrow.

Hahahahahaha ..... Ice breaker ..... Who will make mistake :-))))))))

+1.

All A Clips for me, as well, more Musical ... B Clips more HiFi, both groups are OK, but each group with own characteristics, for me, my opinion, with my equipment, what is in the room is ...

Final decision is your Spannko, your personal preferences in this case, this is only my opinion, if I can help some how ... you know what I mean ... ;-)

I like both (this is probably the sentence you dont want to hear at all ;))
so here it comes
I liked the texture of the applause in the first clip the most with A which would indicate A is better
but later felt except from this I like the B clips better so if I need to decide I am in for B

edit:
hearing them again I think I would love to merge some of the qualities of both

I am on the A-team.

Spannko wrote: ↑2020-04-23 00:50 Here’s a couple of sets of recordings of the 3k array torqued to 0.55Nm or 0.90Nm in no particular order.

Which do you prefer. Set A or set B?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0d4dct6m748 ... fRNza?dl=0

ThomasOK. I can’t remember tbh, so I’ll have a listen tomorrow.

A for me.

B sounds as if the torque is too high.

Fredrik I would like to learn - what kind of sound do you connect with a too high torque?

Defender wrote: ↑2020-04-23 11:41 Fredrik I would like to learn - what kind of sound do you connect with a too high torque?

+1 good question ...

Defender wrote: ↑2020-04-23 11:41 Fredrik I would like to learn - what kind of sound do you connect with a too high torque?

I'm just guessing on these clips, but when you raise the torque, it will sound harder.

Spannko wrote: ↑2020-04-23 00:50 Here’s a couple of sets of recordings of the 3k array torqued to 0.55Nm or 0.90Nm in no particular order...

Did you mean "0.90Nm" or was that a typo since it's labelled as 0.80Nm on Dropbox

Fwiw, I'm for A too.

tokenbrit wrote: ↑2020-04-23 14:26

Spannko wrote: ↑2020-04-23 00:50 Here’s a couple of sets of recordings of the 3k array torqued to 0.55Nm or 0.90Nm in no particular order...

Did you mean "0.90Nm" or was that a typo since it's labelled as 0.80Nm on Dropbox

Fwiw, I'm for A too.

Ah, well spotted!

I originally set to 0.90Nm, then dropped to 0.80Nm, so you’re right, it should read 0.80Nm.

I’m going to try 0.85Nm later too, as TOK suggested,

Spannko wrote: ↑2020-04-23 14:36

tokenbrit wrote: ↑2020-04-23 14:26

Spannko wrote: ↑2020-04-23 00:50 Here’s a couple of sets of recordings of the 3k array torqued to 0.55Nm or 0.90Nm in no particular order...

Did you mean "0.90Nm" or was that a typo since it's labelled as 0.80Nm on Dropbox

Fwiw, I'm for A too.

Ah, well spotted!

I originally set to 0.90Nm, then dropped to 0.80Nm, so you’re right, it should read 0.80Nm.

I’m going to try 0.85Nm later too, as TOK suggested,

So, which is which then???

OK, it looks like A is the clear favourite, which is 0.80Nm.

This doesn’t mean that 0.80Nm is the best setting for the 3K array, for 2 reasons:

1. 0.85Nm might be better as Thomas & Fredrik suggests

2. My torque driver has a 6% tolerance, so my 0.80Nm setting could be anywhere between 0.75Nm and 0.85Nm.

I believe Thomas & Fredrik’s are also made to a 6% tolerance (the DIN EN ISO standard) but they are also calibrated and matched to each other to facilitate the sharing of experiment results?

I’m reliably informed that this is the best torque driver one can buy https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tork-grip.html. I have both left and right handed versions, to cope with those tricky tight spaces.

Spannko wrote: ↑2020-04-23 15:22
I’m reliably informed that this is the best torque driver one can buy https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tork-grip.html. I have both left and right handed versions, to cope with those tricky tight spaces.

Oh, gotta love the "Real Life calibration" chart :)

It can also be translated to replace manometer readings for tyre pressure, where "hard enough" is usually what to aim for when reinflating after fixing a puncture at the roadside.

sheldonbrown.com IS an incredibly useful website for all things relating to wrenching on bikes.

Spannko wrote: ↑2020-04-23 15:22 I’m reliably informed that this is the best torque driver one can buy https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tork-grip.html. I have both left and right handed versions, to cope with those tricky tight spaces.

That may be OK if you're a Monkee*, but my speakers have Torx head screws on them, not "Tork", so that wouldn't work :p

* not to be confused with a [grease] monkey ;)

Spannko wrote: ↑2020-04-23 15:22 OK, it looks like A is the clear favourite, which is 0.80Nm.

Interesting! Then my "B sounds too tight" was wrong.

Love Sheldon Brown's website!

Defender wrote: ↑2020-04-23 10:53 I like both (this is probably the sentence you dont want to hear at all ;))
so here it comes
I liked the texture of the applause in the first clip the most with A which would indicate A is better
but later felt except from this I like the B clips better so if I need to decide I am in for B

edit:
hearing them again I think I would love to merge some of the qualities of both

I have a strong preference for The A clips and don’t really get on with B.

So here are my clips with 0,55 vs. 0,85
A1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5z7o35xvssk3p ... 9.mov?dl=0

A2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/smu1p9lg7s1go ... 9.mov?dl=0

B1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ih8vwz45x9qv9 ... 5.mov?dl=0

B2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kg7qnzu717sug ... 2.mov?dl=0

Tendaberry wrote: ↑2020-04-23 20:41 So here are my clips with 0,55 vs. 0,85 https://www.dropbox.com/s/5z7o35xvssk3p ... 9.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/smu1p9lg7s1go ... 9.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ih8vwz45x9qv9 ... 5.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kg7qnzu717sug ... 2.mov?dl=0

I prefer the second set.

EDIT: No I don’t, I prefer the first set!

Tendaberry wrote: ↑2020-04-23 20:41 So here are my clips with 0,55 vs. 0,85
A1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5z7o35xvssk3p ... 9.mov?dl=0

A2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/smu1p9lg7s1go ... 9.mov?dl=0

B1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ih8vwz45x9qv9 ... 5.mov?dl=0

B2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kg7qnzu717sug ... 2.mov?dl=0

More difficult than the last set of clips, but I prefer A on both tracks.

Like the Sarah Siskind track.

That was a good win for clip A.

Haven't done second clip yet.