Has someone experience with the vertical mounting of Klimax components? Linn offers the V-clip wall mount set and shows several pictures with a geometrical distribution of Klimax components on walls. As some PCBs I tried worked worse in vertical position (including a Sneaky DS) I wonder whether this is musically OK with the Klimax components or not. From the suggested cable management (RCA, speaker and power cords in one channel) I slightly suspect that this spectacular arrangement is not meant for musical improvement - but who knows? Any real experience?

Hi
My KDS/1 is vertikal mounted in a cabinet.. And it sounds superp....

Ohm wrote:My KDS/1 is vertikal mounted in a cabinet.. And it sounds superp....
It does not work different from horisontal.. It is not water pasning tru the components.
Will it sound better in Berlin than in Paris ??

Apparently you are unaware of the impact of different supports, Ole. If you can adopt a more curious attitude, you have something to look forward to!

Hi Lej.
Maybe you have a point. But i can't see how it should make an impack?
My KDS is hanging in a vibration free surrounding.
And what about the Exatkt System where the electronic is placed vertikal near big speakers.
But ????

Ohm wrote:Hi Lej.
Maybe you have a point. But i can't see how it should make an impack?
My KDS is hanging in a vibration free surrounding.
And what about the Exatkt System where the electronic is placed vertikal near big speakers.
But ????

Hi Ohm!

There are unfortunately no vibration free surroundings except perhaps at temperature zero Kelvin.

The impact of microphonics is easy to demonstrate by tapping on a circuit board with a high level of amplification (the tapping is heard in the speakers) or - reversed - listening to a circuit board that is amplifying a music signal when no loudspeaker is connected (you can hear the music from the circuit board).

Placing sensitive electronics inside a loudspeaker is far from optimal. Even passive filters benefit significantly from being removed from such an environment. The reason for doing so anyway is that fewer electronic boxes is considered more important than performance.

Arguably long runs of multiple speakers cables from amps to speakers is also far from optimal. If there was one obvious optimal solution everyone would be doing it.

The cost of some of the equipment supports systems is so high in some cases that I would strongly argue that investment elsewhere will provide a better 'bang for Buck'


CJ

A Linn dealer I used to buy from had an array of Klimax Solo amps fixed to the wall in one of their dem rooms. When I next visited this had changed. The reason being that after experimenting they had found the amps sounded much better in a floor standing hifi rack - and better by a considerable degree they said.

CJ1045 wrote:Arguably long runs of multiple speakers cables from amps to speakers is also far from optimal.

In my experience, too short runs of speaker cable is a lot worse than too long runs.

As mentioned in another thread, I find that the optimal length of K200/K400 is 2.48 m. And everyone that I have sent a pair (10-12?) with this length have agreed it's been clearly better than the length it replaced.

lejonklou wrote:

Ohm wrote:Hi Lej.
Maybe you have a point. But i can't see how it should make an impack?
My KDS is hanging in a vibration free surrounding.
And what about the Exatkt System where the electronic is placed vertikal near big speakers.
But ????

Hi Ohm!

There are unfortunately no vibration free surroundings except perhaps at temperature zero Kelvin.

The impact of microphonics is easy to demonstrate by tapping on a circuit board with a high level of amplification (the tapping is heard in the speakers) or - reversed - listening to a circuit board that is amplifying a music signal when no loudspeaker is connected (you can hear the music from the circuit board).

Placing sensitive electronics inside a loudspeaker is far from optimal. Even passive filters benefit significantly from being removed from such an environment. The reason for doing so anyway is that fewer electronic boxes is considered more important than performance.

Hi Again
I Cannot hear any microfoning when tapping on my verttical mounted KDS, and the amp where set at 100% = +20 Db. So it must be ok or how?

Ohm wrote:I Cannot hear any microfoning when tapping on my verttical mounted KDS, and the amp where set at 100% = +20 Db. So it must be ok or how?

The tapping I referred to was on a circuit board, not on a case. And it was an example of how the phenomenon can be practically demonstrated. Not intended as a test to rule out that position matters. If you want to examine that, do an AB test with music and your units on different supports.

What we are interested in on this forum is how to get the most pleasure from our music, and it is well known that very small amounts of distortion can affect how we perceive music. Disturbances that are below the level of the noise you hear when turning up your volume matters - if you are interested in ultimate performance, that is.