ThomasOK wrote:Generally it seems to be felt that the straight DS units are superior to the DSM units of the same range if you only need the streaming capability. Since my experience has been that units with a single function (preamp, power amp, tuner, CD player, streamer, etc. have been more musical than multi-purpose units I wouldn't be surprised for this to be the case with DSMs (although I have not done a direct KDS vs. KDSM comparison).
With that in mind I expect the list would go:
1) KDS/3
2) KDSM/2
3) ADS/3
4) ADSM/3
Katalyst Akurate DS(M) beating Klimax DS(M)E without Katalyst?
If that’s true, I have to audition Katalyst Akurate versus my Klimax Renew DSME... since Katalyst in Klimax renew is a long wait...
ThomasOK wrote:If you are shallow maybe you'll enjoy this song (note, however, that the title is "Shallow" not "Mellow" so it might not be your cup of tea):
At least they do on 'Signify' which is the only LP I have of theirs.
They remind me of a Norwegian band called Airbag, especially on the slower atmospheric/moody tracks and vocals in general. Airbag don't seem as inventive though, but 'Identity' has some nice songs.
OK people, here goes! I will post a few of these at a time and see how you like them. Descriptions will follow. As you will soon see these will be true blind tests. Here are the first three:
Congratulation to Fredrik and Thomas! As far as I am concerned you just nailed it with one of the clips. I bet you know what clip is my favorite. I will let you guess and wait for others to comment! :-)
I hope I know, but I've been wrong before. I'm going to have another clip that I will post near the end that I recorded specifically for you to see what you thought. That one should also be interesting.
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ThomasOK wrote:I hope I know, but I've been wrong before. I'm going to have another clip that I will post near the end that I recorded specifically for you to see what you thought. That one should also be interesting.
Interesting. That will put me on the spot. :-)
The good news for me as far as Lejonklou amps are concerned is that it is possible to get them to play the way I would like them to. That has been shown very convincingly through the clips on this forum.
First clip is like the pre first clips to me. You can really hear everything but to me it fails to produce natural music.
Second clip is my clip. I feel like I am standing in front of a band playing live.
Third clip is a little weird. In some ways between the two first and then not at all.
Beck, not sure if you're referring to the clip order or the naming of the clips as they are different.
With the first link (clip 3), I find the baseline powers along almost as if its played faster than the others. It also seems easiest to follow (just the baseline), but maybe that's just perception cos it seems quicker.
My favourite is the second link (clip 2) because all the elements seem more in harmony with one another.
Charlie1 wrote:Beck, not sure if you're referring to the clip order or the naming of the clips as they are different.
With the first link (clip 3), I find the baseline powers along almost as if its played faster than the others. It also seems easiest to follow (just the baseline), but maybe that's just perception cos it seems quicker.
My favourite is the second link (clip 2) because all the elements seem more in harmony with one another.
OK, here’s what’s going on and my take on it. The system itself (components and positioning) will have no changes until the last couple of clips, if I recall maybe 12 and 13 and I will let you know when I post them. Clip3, the first one, is the current system setup with the NOKTable. This is the one I feel is the most musical. So you might say it is my baseline, and also has a good bass line (sorry Charlie1). ;-)
The next clip #2 is with a piece of identically shaped metalwork made by the same contractor but which is about 50% heavier. It is OK but I find it inflates dynamics and smears things together a bit.
Last one Clip4 is the same original NOKTable metalwork but with a custom movingui top the same size as the normal skinned mdf one. I find this to muddy up things and mess up the timing.
I hear these differences in the recordings on the store iMac and in my iPhone but they were more obvious in room. My friend Simon (who is not a total tune method devotee and has various tubes hooked up to his LP12/Koetsu) was there while we did these clips. He heard the same things I was hearing and had the same preferences.
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For my part nothing has changed. It is now a little more difficult to hear the differences but I still prefer the middle one. Same order of preference as with the first three clips. Goodnight. :-)
Charlie1 wrote:Beck, not sure if you're referring to the clip order or the naming of the clips as they are different.
With the first link (clip 3), I find the baseline powers along almost as if its played faster than the others. It also seems easiest to follow (just the baseline), but maybe that's just perception cos it seems quicker.
My favourite is the second link (clip 2) because all the elements seem more in harmony with one another.
The third link (clip 4) is my least favourite.
They are all very good quality recordings though.
I am in total agreement with you Charlie1. :-)
I came to this conclusion as well last night, but fell asleep before I posted it. Vacation time!
I give up on this one. I thought I was just tired last night, but still can't decide this morning. They seem very close.
EDIT: Tried again but with the Mac which is what I used first time around. Still really close. For me, the last link (clip 8) has the most tuneful easy to follow BASS LINE :) I find it really hard to pick between clips 6 and 8 overall though. I think perhaps 6 just about nudges it, less dominated by that bass line so the other elements can join in more, but even now, I don't feel certain which one I prefer. I think this is one where I would have to down tune dem tools and just listen normally for longer periods.
I understand your frustration with this second set of clips Charlie1. The connection I got with the middle clip from the first set I am strugling to find in the second set.
I do not like the change I hear I overall sound from the second set of clips. It is as if the differences have been camouflaged.
I just compared a couple of clips in the first set to the second set. By comparison, I felt this second set all seem slightly compressed or damped down. There seems to be less space and time for everyone to play in.
beck wrote:My guess is new linn speaker cables but it is just guess.
Based on what I heard, I can't see Thomas going near them unless all the world's K400 was abducted by aliens. He might even be tempted to go with them.
beck wrote:My guess is new linn speaker cables but it is just guess.
Based on what I heard, I can't see Thomas going near them unless all the world's K400 was abducted by aliens. He might even be tempted to go with them.
:-)
If he made the recordings at home it must be the new setup of his system.
