Playground for practical listening exercises

We use the Tune Method to evaluate performance

Moderator: Staff

User avatar
lejonklou
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 6794
Joined: 2007-01-30 10:38
Location: Sweden
Contact:

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by lejonklou »

I never listen to in-room clips through speakers, as I find the room-upon-room sound (there’s room resonances in the recording and then there’s room resonances that my speakers are interacting with) too messy. I always listen with headphones. For convenience often iPhone to Airpods Pro 2.
matthias
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 2224
Joined: 2007-12-25 16:47
Location: Germany

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by matthias »

lejonklou wrote: 2025-03-17 11:30 I never listen to in-room clips through speakers, as I find the room-upon-room sound (there’s room resonances in the recording and then there’s room resonances that my speakers are interacting with) too messy. I always listen with headphones.
+1
Matt

Modified mains distribution / Macbook / Exposure pre + power (both modified) / JBL3677
Spannko
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 2480
Joined: 2008-01-24 21:46
Location: North East of The Black Country, UK

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by Spannko »

lejonklou wrote: 2025-03-17 11:30 I never listen to in-room clips through speakers, as I find the room-upon-room sound (there’s room resonances in the recording and then there’s room resonances that my speakers are interacting with) too messy. I always listen with headphones. For convenience often iPhone to Airpods Pro 2.
Interesting. I know what you mean by the room-upon-room sound, but I’m usually ok with that for some reason.
User avatar
lejonklou
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 6794
Joined: 2007-01-30 10:38
Location: Sweden
Contact:

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by lejonklou »

Spannko wrote: 2025-03-17 17:42
lejonklou wrote: 2025-03-17 11:30 I never listen to in-room clips through speakers, as I find the room-upon-room sound (there’s room resonances in the recording and then there’s room resonances that my speakers are interacting with) too messy. I always listen with headphones. For convenience often iPhone to Airpods Pro 2.
Interesting. I know what you mean by the room-upon-room sound, but I’m usually ok with that for some reason.
I could probably get used to it if I try it some more.

I will try it on the next pair of clips and check whether it’s easier or yields a different result than headphones!
Arjen
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 473
Joined: 2021-06-10 13:23
Location: NL and Friesland

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by Arjen »

springwood64 wrote: 2025-03-14 10:26
Spannko wrote: 2025-03-12 14:40 Would you mind doing this comparison again Pete please. I usually try and listen to clips without reading the opinions of others, but I failed on this occasion so I can’t rule out expectation bias. Also, the GJ track is heavily dynamic range compressed (DR7) and no doubt manipulated in all manner of other ways to make it sound acceptable in loud environments and on suboptimal playback systems. Have you got a cd which isn’t so compressed and also hasn’t been remastered at a later date, which usually means that it has had a higher level of compression applied, and will be the version streamed by Spotify. I know it’s not an easy ask, but hopefully you’ll have a suitable cd in your collection.
springwood64 wrote: 2025-03-13 09:54 Thanks for the suggestions. It'll be a week or so before I can do more clips.
Managed to find time to do the clips today:

A: https://photos.app.goo.gl/SYQxzoQcoK6szoM78
B: https://photos.app.goo.gl/AatZvYdkyaSXekoG7
Just listened now. A to me, a more pretty listen.
BJA Silent Air Soundeck Ed, Dr. Fuss, Supernait2, CD5X, Slipsik7.1, Millon Phantom, AudioSensibility
User avatar
Hermann
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 743
Joined: 2018-05-13 06:52
Location: Ruhrgebiet

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by Hermann »

The optimization of the small system is making progress. Original Netgear GS 108T power supply replaced with Friwo FW7405M/12. Because of the different connection, I swapped the Friwo plug for one from the Netgear NT.

Springfield Spooky

A - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kYHcU5 ... sp=sharing

B - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AYj7PD ... sp=sharing

Micatone Handbrake

A - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vt4ivq ... sp=sharing

B - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WvD3yn ... sp=sharing

20250420_090537.jpg
20250420_090543.jpg
20250420_090501.jpg
Picture 3 shows my power patch panel with original and modified power blocks
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Trust your ears
Spannko
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 2480
Joined: 2008-01-24 21:46
Location: North East of The Black Country, UK

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by Spannko »

A for me
Whatsmynaim
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 252
Joined: 2019-10-29 23:55

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by Whatsmynaim »

I prefer A on both.
B is too laid-back so when the short "dramatic pause" at 0:33 happens in Springfield Spooky it has less impact.
Charlie1
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 4975
Joined: 2007-12-11 00:30
Location: UK

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by Charlie1 »

A on Springfield
B on Micatone

I would defo use A for my main system but might go for B as an office system playing background music
User avatar
lejonklou
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 6794
Joined: 2007-01-30 10:38
Location: Sweden
Contact:

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by lejonklou »

I prefer A on both.
tokenbrit
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 2165
Joined: 2012-03-22 19:47
Location: New England

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by tokenbrit »

B sounded wrong in different ways between the two songs... A (twice) for me too.
User avatar
markiteight
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 902
Joined: 2012-01-13 01:50
Location: Seattle, Wa. USA

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by markiteight »

I'll take A on both, please.
User avatar
springwood64
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 1019
Joined: 2008-10-13 18:19
Location: UK

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by springwood64 »

A has more groove on both
Pete
beck
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 2812
Joined: 2012-10-22 22:25

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by beck »

I like the way Spooky sounds like a 1970 tape recording when listening to B.

I prefer to listen to the B versions.
It’s that live feeling…………….
User avatar
lejonklou
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 6794
Joined: 2007-01-30 10:38
Location: Sweden
Contact:

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by lejonklou »

beck wrote: 2025-04-22 09:07 I like the way Spooky sounds like a 1970 tape recording when listening to B.
I was feeling something similar on my first listen, Spooky had a charming quality on B.

Then Micatone fell flat on B and I lost the sense of charm.
User avatar
Tendaberry
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 1063
Joined: 2010-08-30 16:08
Location: Hamburg

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by Tendaberry »

At first I thought A was too laid back (listening on an iMac), but when I listened again to only 5-10 seconds of the intros, it was clear, that A is better.
User avatar
Hermann
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 743
Joined: 2018-05-13 06:52
Location: Ruhrgebiet

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by Hermann »

Thanks everyone for the assessment, and I agree A is better and the original Netgear power supply.

The recordings were taken using different sockets for the Alien/Switch and Boazu/LinnDS. And since nothing is set in stone, everything together into a single power strip.

Here are the examples:

Spooky


C https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-gdpau ... sp=sharing

D https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yhDg_s ... sp=sharing

Handbrake

C https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uBDgFe ... sp=sharing

D https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iLDCDa ... sp=sharing
Trust your ears
beck
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 2812
Joined: 2012-10-22 22:25

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by beck »

I like D in both.
It’s that live feeling…………….
Charlie1
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 4975
Joined: 2007-12-11 00:30
Location: UK

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by Charlie1 »

These are very tuneful clips Hermann, at least the way my mind makes sense of music. In fact, Spooky with C strikes me as the most tuneful clip I recall hearing.

They seem pretty close to me and I'd be happy with either. D seems to give away a little bit of tunefulness in return for a presentation that comes together a bit more - C seems very slightly split apart and harder to follow 'the whole' but really not much in it for me..
tpetsch
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 385
Joined: 2020-08-17 18:46
Location: United States

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by tpetsch »

Spooky C is more in tune.
Rega NAIA, Aphelion II, Aura. Naim CB 32.5/HC, Naxo 3-6/HC, 3x250 into K20/DMS.
Whatsmynaim
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 252
Joined: 2019-10-29 23:55

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by Whatsmynaim »

This wasn't easy, been going back and forth..
I think I prefer C on both for having a more subtle presentation.
User avatar
lejonklou
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 6794
Joined: 2007-01-30 10:38
Location: Sweden
Contact:

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by lejonklou »

Charlie1 wrote: 2025-04-22 16:55 They seem pretty close to me and I'd be happy with either. D seems to give away a little bit of tunefulness in return for a presentation that comes together a bit more - C seems very slightly split apart and harder to follow 'the whole'.
After having gone back and forth between C and D on Spooky and then reading the comments already posted, I must say that I agree with the above. C appears more in tune but looses some groove. I get the itch to find if there's a way to get both!
User avatar
markiteight
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 902
Joined: 2012-01-13 01:50
Location: Seattle, Wa. USA

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by markiteight »

I struggled a bit with this one too. I like the sound of D...more 'alive.' But I find it easier to follow the tune on C. To me this difference was more evident on Handbrake.
tokenbrit
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 2165
Joined: 2012-03-22 19:47
Location: New England

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by tokenbrit »

markiteight wrote: 2025-04-23 03:43 I struggled a bit with this one too. I like the sound of D...more 'alive.' But I find it easier to follow the tune on C. To me this difference was more evident on Handbrake.
Agree about the sound on Handbrake/D but, personally, I find the tune compelling on Spooky/C... Maybe a different order of devices in the single power strip is needed for best of both worlds: tune & sound.
User avatar
Hermann
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 743
Joined: 2018-05-13 06:52
Location: Ruhrgebiet

Re: Playground for practical listening exercises

Post by Hermann »

Thanks for your opinions. Admittedly, it's difficult to tell the two apart. I personally prefer C, the Friwo power supply. I'm still testing the correct order. What I find more interesting, however, is that the impression of having all devices connected to one power strip sounds much better.
Trust your ears
Post Reply