Playground for practical listening exercises

[lejonklou]

An entirely non-rhetorical question: what are the play/pause/next/previous buttons on a Lejonklou remote used for?

For all source units (Streamers, CD players, etc) that use the Philips RC5 standard. Many European and American brands do and nearly all the British ones.

[OscarH]

An entirely non-rhetorical question: what are the play/pause/next/previous buttons on a Lejonklou remote used for?

For all source units (Streamers, CD players, etc) that use the Philips RC5 standard. Many European and American brands do and nearly all the British ones.

Ah yes, didn’t think of streamers. Assumed it could control a CD player, but few owners of Lejonklou amps on this forum appear to use one.

Sorry about the off-topic question.

[maffe]

An entirely non-rhetorical question: what are the play/pause/next/previous buttons on a Lejonklou remote used for?

For all source units (Streamers, CD players, etc) that use the Philips RC5 standard. Many European and American brands do and nearly all the British ones.

It’s the master command, Kaos press “skip” and I change track on the record :P

Or you can tweak your Hakai and use them ;)

[Charlie1]

Quick listen without headphones and preferred b on both. Will listen again later with headphones to be sure.

On reflection and using headphones I too prefer A.

[beck]

Not trying to change the way I listen I am still an A man.

It follows the “rules” I like to judge the sound on. Together and “natural” to me.

B to me sounds impressive but slightly seperated and unnatural.

A tough call. :-)

[Defender]

Clip A for me - especially because being able to follow his voice when he starts and making sense of what he is doing

there was more details in the background in Clip B - I think I heard some kind of a miau - miau 😻 but I am giving up this detail for more musical understanding

In case a clip is more musical I think I hear more change of speed/tempo during the play where in a not so musical clip it is more presented without speed changes

[beck]

Two clips as an attempted answer to donuks question. Using my less than perfect cd player and system :-) you should be able to hear one of the clips being better at bringing it all together and the other with a slightly more “split” presentation (vision).

Links removed.

Post edit: I realise by listening again to the clips that the difference here is too small with this set to be heard. Well, I will try again if I find a better example.

I can still recommend maffe’s “Six Blade Knife” A versus B clips to hear what I am talking about.

[OscarH]

Ok, clips uploaded.
A variation of yesterday’s clips.

Enjoy!

I’m (still) in the A camp... but seems like a smaller difference in this latest set of clips.

Not an easy one for me.

[Charlie1]

Post edit: I realise by listening again to the clips that the difference here is too small with this set to be heard. Well, I will try again if I find a better example.

I think that's a good example.

The second clip is clearly much better beck ;) ... just kiddin'!

[Charlie1]

Old ground but perhaps still of interest...

Standard Lack: https://www.dropbox.com/s/05afvqnu0q1xv ... D.MOV?dl=0
Lack with innards removed: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5xaxu6p88eylo ... D.MOV?dl=0

Always difficult when you have to move the deck between clips and you'll have to forgive the hoover in the background during the second clip.

Bear in mind my LP12 uses standard feet, not tramp feet.

Hopefully, Oscar won't have heard this track a million times :D

[beck]

Standard for me please! :-)

[beck]

Post edit: I realise by listening again to the clips that the difference here is too small with this set to be heard. Well, I will try again if I find a better example.

I think that's a good example.

The second clip is clearly much better beck ;) ... just kiddin'!

I think if one listens to my clips above in a non active way it will reveal one clip with a more natural flow.

[OscarH]

Old ground but perhaps still of interest...

Standard Lack:
Lack with innards removed:

Hopefully, Oscar won't have heard this track a million times :D

Hahaha, I'd never heard this track before. It DID make it easier for me to (practice to) listen for tune (I think) so I do appreciate the consideration ;)

I now feel the pressure to dig out something decidedly obscure for my next set of clips (which will probably be in the hakai playground).

I preferred the standard lack.

Edit: can see that I agree with beck. I wrote my post without reading his.

[beck]

I preferred the standard lack.

Edit: can see that I agree with beck. I wrote my post without reading his.

That is not necessarily a good sign :-). My hit rate i not that good. Though with these clips I feel good about our choice of the standard lack.

[OscarH]

I preferred the standard lack.

Edit: can see that I agree with beck. I wrote my post without reading his.

That is not necessarily a good sign :-), though with these clips I feel good about our choice of the standard lack.

Very early in my career (I like to think I'm still in the early stages of my career but that's another matter) I found myself in the bar at the Hilton in Port of Spain, Trinidad. Sipping my rum I asked the barman, out of interest, whether there was anything he'd consider mixing it with.

He paused and stared at me: "don't tamper with perfection".

I suppose it would take a Swede to drum up an anecdote about Caribbean rum in a discussion about an Ikea Lack table :)

[beck]

:-)

[Charlie1]

That is not necessarily a good sign :-). My hit rate i not that good. Though with these clips I feel good about our choice of the standard lack.

I did check it was still level. Perhaps a tiny advantage to the standard Lack but only tiny.

I will recompare when I swap back. Perhaps the process of moving the deck then requires a while for the suspension to settle. I was only moving the deck to the side though (onto the Isoblue) and back again, so didn't remove the outer platter.

The deck was spun up from standstill just before recording each clip so it hadn't been playing for 20mins or anything with the Standard table and just a few seconds with the cut out one.

[Charlie1]

The swap back:
Without innards: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ttgzzifbrekj ... D.MOV?dl=0
Standard: https://www.dropbox.com/s/w68f9kbr5e6gi ... D.MOV?dl=0

Perhaps the cut out Lack was never better then. I did my first one 30 years ago cos the dealer said it was better, and that was the end of it.

[Tendaberry]

The swap back:
Without innards: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ttgzzifbrekj ... D.MOV?dl=0
Standard: https://www.dropbox.com/s/w68f9kbr5e6gi ... D.MOV?dl=0

Perhaps the cut out Lack was never better then. I did my first one 30 years ago cos the dealer said it was better, and that was the end of it.

The standard one sounds more like I remember the song. The somewhat awkward rhythm after the initial piano burst sounds more natural and less stilted there. It could be, that the slightly fuller sound of the standard matches the Kans better.

[Charlie1]

I couldn't resist checking if the Valhalla deck behaves the same as the Radikal deck.

Stone cold system and yes I'm still playing Dirt Brown Cowboy in the office - not been working up there much tbh - and I like to get my money's worth! It is a good album too.

Standard: https://www.dropbox.com/s/e2zm2g99yx4wa ... D.MOV?dl=0
No Innards: https://www.dropbox.com/s/s21rcj7w4crcd ... D.MOV?dl=0

[Charlie1]

The standard one sounds more like I remember the song. The somewhat awkward rhythm after the initial piano burst sounds more natural and less stilted there. It could be, that the slightly fuller sound of the standard matches the Kans better.

Thanks. Yes, this is just the Nait so it can be very 'thin' sounding with Kans.

[beck]

Still prefer the standard though I can hear what the appeal of the modified is. The standard sounds more natural.

[Charlie1]

Tx, glad I posted as nearly didn't bother and I could have easily gone astray on this one.

[kallesprätt]

Which one do you prefer?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s7uzqz8sy7be1 ... H.mov?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/83dsthm3yiw5h ... R.mov?dl=0

/Kallesprätt

I think all who responded thought the first clip was better, the differences is always bigger in the room. My girlfriend thought the second clip was unlistenable when she heard the differences in the room.

Now, same test different source:

Which one is best:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2twzvfy1llw38 ... H.mp4?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zsdzyrsznnoaw ... R.mp4?dl=0

/Kallesprätt

[Charlie1]

I think all who responded thought the first clip was better, the differences is always bigger in the room. My girlfriend thought the second clip was unlistenable when she heard the differences in the room.

Now, same test different source:

Which one is best:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2twzvfy1llw38 ... H.mp4?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zsdzyrsznnoaw ... R.mp4?dl=0

I completely missed your first set but also prefer clip 1.

I prefer clip 3 in the new set.

Looks like your system is neatly fitted into the fireplace.