Once again my take is different. I definately prefer the first clip to the second.

No comment ...
Only one thing ... drummer have problem with his partner ...

This comparison shows up the dillema I sometimes have.

I find clip 2 more tuneful when following a specific instrument - the bass guitar in particular is much more enjoyable and easier to follow.

However, clip 1 allows me to relax more as all the instruments make sense in relation to one another and my mind is not fighting to make sense of the music as a whole.

I wish I experienced music either one way or the other - it would have made my HiFi quest a whole lot easier.

Cop a load of this, then!

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2ayf4t1eyjj ... iGjTa?dl=0

Coming up as an empty folder for me.

Charlie1 wrote: ↑2020-02-06 14:06 Coming up as an empty folder for me.

I thought that was what made it "Interesting..." ;)

For me it's not empty, but there's only one video, so nothing to compare

Tendaberry wrote: ↑2020-02-06 14:27 For me it's not empty, but there's only one video, so nothing to compare

And then there were 3... (videos; not the Genesis album :)

E-arr, cop a load of this then (Pt2)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2ayf4t1eyjj ... iGjTa?dl=0

It’s a heads up for a new album I’m really enjoying atm.

Many a Thousand by Jimmy Aldridge & Sid Goldsmith

There more than the usual difference between the 3 clips Spannko ;)

:-)

Charlie1 wrote: ↑2020-02-06 10:08 This comparison shows up the dillema I sometimes have.

I find clip 2 more tuneful when following a specific instrument - the bass guitar in particular is much more enjoyable and easier to follow.

However, clip 1 allows me to relax more as all the instruments make sense in relation to one another and my mind is not fighting to make sense of the music as a whole.

I wish I experienced music either one way or the other - it would have made my HiFi quest a whole lot easier.

I do know exactly how you feel, which is why I have two amplifiers and regularly swap them over; an old Linn Klimax Twin and a Tundra 2.0.

Donuk beautiful downtown York.

One amp to each speaker - best of both worlds? ;)

tokenbrit wrote: ↑2020-02-06 17:21 One amp to each speaker - best of both worlds? ;)

Ah! But which amp to which?

ThomasOK wrote: ↑2020-02-06 17:37

tokenbrit wrote: ↑2020-02-06 17:21 One amp to each speaker - best of both worlds? ;)

Ah! But which amp to which?

kLimax to the Left; tundRa to the Right, of course :)

ThomasOK wrote: ↑2020-02-05 23:56 Here are a couple of clips from a change in my system...

I've tried making my mind up between your clips, Tom - w/ & w/out sub - and can't decide... Will have to hear both in person :)

Is the track meant to be a little more moody, as it is with the sub, or a little livelier as it is without?

ThomasOK wrote: ↑2020-02-05 23:56 Here are a couple of clips from a change in my system:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zrv8nrocq9tit ... m.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o19oyd3riugnv ... m.mov?dl=0

I think the first one (4 45 01) is better.

The second (4 06 12) sounds more dynamic and impressive, but there are subtleties in the interplay that are lost.

I feel this is most apparent in the meeting between the bass line and the guitar (00:12-00:22) where I feel the first clip is played by better musicians and the second clip by worse musicians using better gear.

As there are several comparative clips that people are commenting, can you please make clear which one you're referring to in your posts?

Back to A-B tests.

Choose between 1 or 2 :-)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/e72v7psb780 ... rscRa?dl=0

Ron The Mon wrote: ↑2020-02-06 05:27

ThomasOK wrote: ↑2020-02-05 23:56 Here are a couple of clips from a change in my system:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zrv8nrocq9tit ... m.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o19oyd3riugnv ... m.mov?dl=0

Tom,
How long did it take you to make that change?

Do you think it is as big an improvement as I told you it would be? It sounds much more dynamic just over my iPhone speaker.

Ron The Mon

If you look at the time stamps it should be fairly obvious that it took me almost 40 minutes! ;-)

Actually, the replies had me confused so I went back and listened to them myself on here from the dropbox videos. That was when I realized that I somehow posted them in reverse order from what I had intended and things at least started to make more sense.

The difference between the two clips is obvious if you look at the right corner and notice that in the clip with the later timestamp the big, black subwoofer has been banished. So you are listening to the same system with an undriven subwoofer in one and the sub gone (as in down in the basement - hence the 40 minutes) in the other. The sub had its input shorted to minimize its change to the sound, but you can clearly hear that it still changes things. I find clip 1, the one without the sub, preferable with it easier to follow the instruments and to hear what everybody is doing.

That was the only change to the system for these clips. For both clips I kept the subwoofer crossover and third Tundra Mono hooked up to each other and AC but not connected to the Sagatuns (more about that in the My system section eventually). I also still had the unconnected CD12 and Kremlin in the room, but I couldn't figure out how to keep them in the same place with the subwoofer gone so they were moved. :-)

And, by the way, I have no problem with Mick Fleetwood's drumming. In fact I rather enjoy it.

tokenbrit wrote: ↑2020-02-06 17:48

ThomasOK wrote: ↑2020-02-05 23:56 Here are a couple of clips from a change in my system...

I've tried making my mind up between your clips, Tom - w/ & w/out sub - and can't decide... Will have to hear both in person :)

Is the track meant to be a little more moody, as it is with the sub, or a little livelier as it is without?

You would have to ask early Fleetwood Mac how the track was meant to be. But I find the clip without the undriven sub easer to hear what the instruments are doing and how they play together. While the 18" passive radiator does some interesting things, I mostly find it mushes things together.

However, you have about a snowball's chance in hell of hearing the actual A/B at my house. It was hard enough manhandling that 143lb. subwoofer downstairs by myself, I certainly have no intention of hauling it back up! I conducted several test over the last couple of weeks to determine that the sub would not be a resident of this system before I dispatched it, which will be detailed eventually elsewhere. But being a sub designed for professional theaters I feel it is likely it will do just fine with explosions and car crashes in my home theater. Indeed it may be one of the few that could add to the bass already put out by my four Isobariks.

That said, I could likely be convinced to bring it back upstairs, with help of course, should you wish to purchase it (at a good price) and take it home with you to add to your 3677s! ;-)

Spannko wrote: ↑2020-02-06 17:53 Back to A-B tests.

Choose between 1 or 2 :-)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/e72v7psb780 ... rscRa?dl=0

I defo prefer cable 1 with track 1.
Initially, I preferrd cable 2 with track 2 but after more listening prefer cable 1 with that one as well.
I can see why you're torn though - if I've correctly read between the lines.

ThomasOK wrote: ↑2020-02-06 17:54 The difference between the two clips is obvious if you look at the right corner and notice that in the clip with the later timestamp the big, black subwoofer has been banished.

I had not even noticed the sub appear in the second clip - shows how observant I am - I was too busy listening perhaps :)

No comment ... I was thinking on First one ...

ThomasOK wrote: ↑2020-02-05 23:56 Here are a couple of clips from a change in my system:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zrv8nrocq9tit ... m.mov?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o19oyd3riugnv ... m.mov?dl=0

Charlie1 wrote: ↑2020-02-06 18:26

ThomasOK wrote: ↑2020-02-06 17:54 The difference between the two clips is obvious if you look at the right corner and notice that in the clip with the later timestamp the big, black subwoofer has been banished.

I had not even noticed the sub appear in the second clip - shows how observant I am - I was too busy listening perhaps :)

Haha that’s funny - the missing sub was ALL I noticed and then I could never be sure if it was my hearing or vision that impacted my impressions most...