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Just looked at this years Linn price list and I see that the Adikt has gone up by 33% from £430 to £574 and the stylus from £220 to £294. I understand that it is now designated Adikt/3 and the lugs have gone. Is that the only change or are there other improvements that justify the big increase?
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Mikeg wrote: 2022-01-07 17:10 Just looked at this years Linn price list and I see that the Adikt has gone up by 33% from £430 to £574 and the stylus from £220 to £294. I understand that it is now designated Adikt/3 and the lugs have gone. Is that the only change or are there other improvements that justify the big increase?
The price increase has nothing to do with improvements as the Adkit/3 has been out since sometime in 2020 as it was needed to work on the Krane arm included in the latest Majik LP12. (Technically it was needed for the ProJect arm as well -better late than never?) The only difference between the Adikt/3 and the Adikt/2 is the removal of the lugs on the top (finally). Indeed the stylus is still designated the Adkit Stylus/2. The Adikt/2 was designed to rectify the tendency of some Adikts to have their suspension collapse over time. I am not aware of any other differences between the Adikt and the Adikt/2. I believe any Adikt will be brought to current performance level when replacing the stylus with a Stylus/2.

If you think that price increase was high, don't look at the passive Klimax 350 speakers which went from $29,950 to $45,580, an increase of over 50%! Especially interesting since the same speaker with amps and Organik DACs/crossovers effectively didn't go up! (Although they did go up about $5500 when they transitioned to Organik a little while back - still $10,000 short of the current passive price increase.)
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One reason I decided on the Adikt after using a Dynavector DV20 was the low(ish) running cost. Now the replacement costs are getting pretty close! I am now wondering whether a Goldring 1012 would be a realistic option. I know the Adikt is based on it but I don't know how close they are. I have seen various comments ranging from "they are exactly the same" to "Linn has tweaked the Adikt so that it is vastly superiors to the 1012". However I have never read an actual side by side comparison. Any thoughts? Any other alternatives?

I do wonder if Linn's pricing policy is "what the market will bear" rather than "cost plus". Especially since there have been several expensive MMs come onto the market.
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First off I wouldn't say the running costs are getting close, at least not in the US. The DV20X2 runs $1150 with a trade in credit of 20% that means "stylus" replacement is $920. Stylus replacement on the $854 Adikt 3 is $427 - less than half the DV.

I honestly think there are very few Hi-Fi companies, especially in the high end, that still use a cost plus pricing model. Lejonklou definitely does, I think Rega does and companies like NAD and Cambridge Audio mostly do, although I have my doubts when it gets to their expensive stuff. But it has been apparent for some time that Linn has gone more for the "perceived value" pricing on at least some of the upper end of the ranges. I doubt that really plays into the new Adikt price, and we just don't know how much increased material costs (even cardboard appears to have gone up about 15% from what I've heard), manufacturing costs, shipping costs (which have definitely risen a fair amount), Brexit paperwork and customs hassles, etc. play into the price increases on various items. But Linn is also obviously looking at the competitive market in pricing things. You don't have to look any farther than the Majik LP12 to see this. The Adikt went up $214, the Majik power supply $84, the Majik sub chassis and armboard $85, the Solid Base $28 and the LP12 chassis (mechanics) $370 which totals $781 not including the Krane arm. (The Krane is not yet sold separately by Linn so we don't know what the pricing would be. But since cost increases in aluminum are supposed to be a big part of industry-wide price increases you would expect it has gone up too.) Yet the Majik LP12 itself is still $4995 - no price increase. Which makes it even more of a bargain and shows sensitivity to the competitive market. (Is there really a competitive turntable for $5000? Doubtful, but we are partly dealing with appearances here.)

But the passive Klimax 350s? Oh yeah, perceived value pricing seems likely.
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Thanks Tom

Still going to be on the lookout for a cheaper alternative. How does the Adikt compare to the Goldring 1012? Any other recommendations?
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Mikeg wrote: 2022-01-08 19:08 Thanks Tom

Still going to be on the lookout for a cheaper alternative. How does the Adikt compare to the Goldring 1012? Any other recommendations?
I haven't played around a lot with the Goldrings but I don't believe they approach the Adikt. The Adikt was the most musical cartridge I have heard under at least $1200 and still is. I know a couple on the web prefer the Ortofon 2M Black but it is $755 and the stylus $576, so hardly a savings.

One thing that is very important to note is that the Adikt is NOT a Goldring cartridge - it is a Linn cartridge that just happens to be made by the parent company of Goldring, as is the Krystal. I just had a conversation a couple of weeks ago with a new Linn dealer who I helped out. He sold EMT cartridges for years and was happy when I told him EMT would be making the new Ekstatik as he liked EMTs. He had set up his Klimax LP12 with Radikal 2 and Ekstatik and was rather blown away by it saying it was the best turntable he had ever heard and that he couldn't believe the pitch accuracy, especially from a belt drive. Talking about the Klimax LP12 he said the Ekstatik doesn't sound like an EMT cartridge. My reply was "Of course not. Linn has cartridges made by Goldring, Lyra and EMT but none of their cartridges sound like a Goldring, a Lyra or an EMT because they are Linn designs, created to do what Linn wants them to do, that just happen to be made by Goldring, Lyra and EMT as they use whoever is best capable of making their designs the way they want them." In the past they also had cartridges made by Supex (before they went away) and Audio Technica, but all except the original Basik cartridge were made the way Linn specified them and most had design features not found on cartridges from the companies who made them.
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ThomasOK wrote: 2022-01-08 17:11 First off I wouldn't say the running costs are getting close, at least not in the US. The DV20X2 runs $1150 with a trade in credit of 20% that means "stylus" replacement is $920. Stylus replacement on the $854 Adikt 3 is $427 - less than half the DV.

I honestly think there are very few Hi-Fi companies, especially in the high end, that still use a cost plus pricing model. Lejonklou definitely does, I think Rega does and companies like NAD and Cambridge Audio mostly do, although I have my doubts when it gets to their expensive stuff. But it has been apparent for some time that Linn has gone more for the "perceived value" pricing on at least some of the upper end of the ranges. I doubt that really plays into the new Adikt price, and we just don't know how much increased material costs (even cardboard appears to have gone up about 15% from what I've heard), manufacturing costs, shipping costs (which have definitely risen a fair amount), Brexit paperwork and customs hassles, etc. play into the price increases on various items. But Linn is also obviously looking at the competitive market in pricing things. You don't have to look any farther than the Majik LP12 to see this. The Adikt went up $214, the Majik power supply $84, the Majik sub chassis and armboard $85, the Solid Base $28 and the LP12 chassis (mechanics) $370 which totals $781 not including the Krane arm. (The Krane is not yet sold separately by Linn so we don't know what the pricing would be. But since cost increases in aluminum are supposed to be a big part of industry-wide price increases you would expect it has gone up too.) Yet the Majik LP12 itself is still $4995 - no price increase. Which makes it even more of a bargain and shows sensitivity to the competitive market. (Is there really a competitive turntable for $5000? Doubtful, but we are partly dealing with appearances here.)

But the passive Klimax 350s? Oh yeah, perceived value pricing seems likely.
Going back to the early 90 an ex girlfriend worked at Linn for a short period of time . She told me there was a CD12 going for £1200 . Unfortunately Ivor refused to sell it to her as he said he knows who it's for :0)
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A little bit off topic but any idea if the Nagaoka MP-500 would be an upgrade to the Adikt? I am in the similar predicament on if the Adikt cost/value proposition is still valid compared to something 'newer' like the Nagaoka, once you get past the initial cartridge cost. Note that I don't know if the Nagaoka fits properly on an Akito or is a good match with the Slipsik.
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Grey,
I don’t know about the Adikt and Akito combination, but well known with Nagaoka.
My setup is a Lenco 76/S/Jelco, Nagaoka MP300 and Slipsik 7.1/ Supernait2. IMHO a very decent setup, the Nagaoka performs very well with the Slipsik. So no idea if it will beat The Adikt, but you can really give it a fair chance as an alternative, might improve the performance of your setup as well.
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ThomasOK wrote: 2022-01-08 17:11 First off I wouldn't say the running costs are getting close, at least not in the US. The DV20X2 runs $1150 with a trade in credit of 20% that means "stylus" replacement is $920. Stylus replacement on the $854 Adikt 3 is $427 - less than half the DV.

I honestly think there are very few Hi-Fi companies, especially in the high end, that still use a cost plus pricing model. Lejonklou definitely does, I think Rega does and companies like NAD and Cambridge Audio mostly do, although I have my doubts when it gets to their expensive stuff. But it has been apparent for some time that Linn has gone more for the "perceived value" pricing on at least some of the upper end of the ranges. I doubt that really plays into the new Adikt price, and we just don't know how much increased material costs (even cardboard appears to have gone up about 15% from what I've heard), manufacturing costs, shipping costs (which have definitely risen a fair amount), Brexit paperwork and customs hassles, etc. play into the price increases on various items. But Linn is also obviously looking at the competitive market in pricing things. You don't have to look any farther than the Majik LP12 to see this. The Adikt went up $214, the Majik power supply $84, the Majik sub chassis and armboard $85, the Solid Base $28 and the LP12 chassis (mechanics) $370 which totals $781 not including the Krane arm. (The Krane is not yet sold separately by Linn so we don't know what the pricing would be. But since cost increases in aluminum are supposed to be a big part of industry-wide price increases you would expect it has gone up too.) Yet the Majik LP12 itself is still $4995 - no price increase. Which makes it even more of a bargain and shows sensitivity to the competitive market. (Is there really a competitive turntable for $5000? Doubtful, but we are partly dealing with appearances here.)

But the passive Klimax 350s? Oh yeah, perceived value pricing seems likely.
Not doubtful at all, many would argue that the Rega P10 -for one- is an overall more in-tune deck than a Majik LP12. In fact I'd even put a P8 up against it.
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grey17 wrote: 2022-01-09 12:33 A little bit off topic but any idea if the Nagaoka MP-500 would be an upgrade to the Adikt? I am in the similar predicament on if the Adikt cost/value proposition is still valid compared to something 'newer' like the Nagaoka, once you get past the initial cartridge cost. Note that I don't know if the Nagaoka fits properly on an Akito or is a good match with the Slipsik.
I haven't heard a Nagoka in decades so I certainly can't tell you how it would compare musically to an Adikt, best to listen for yourself if you get a chance. But I don't understand the cost/value proposition comment nor the something "newer" question. I suppose it is a bit newer but having been introduced in 2011 it is hardly new. Nor does new have anything to do with better. Interesting to note that in 2012 it was $699 in the US and is now $949 with a $479 stylus, so I don't see where the value question comes in. Since the Adikt has been $640 since at least February 2014 it just appears that Linn had a more recent price increase, but not a bigger one (although possibly larger all at one time). Then again if the MP-500 is more musical than the Adikt it would likely be worth the extra money.
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ThomasOK wrote: 2022-01-12 00:29
grey17 wrote: 2022-01-09 12:33 A little bit off topic but any idea if the Nagaoka MP-500 would be an upgrade to the Adikt? I am in the similar predicament on if the Adikt cost/value proposition is still valid compared to something 'newer' like the Nagaoka, once you get past the initial cartridge cost. Note that I don't know if the Nagaoka fits properly on an Akito or is a good match with the Slipsik.
I haven't heard a Nagoka in decades so I certainly can't tell you how it would compare musically to an Adikt, best to listen for yourself if you get a chance. But I don't understand the cost/value proposition comment nor the something "newer" question. I suppose it is a bit newer but having been introduced in 2011 it is hardly new. Nor does new have anything to do with better. Interesting to note that in 2012 it was $699 in the US and is now $949 with a $479 stylus, so I don't see where the value question comes in. Since the Adikt has been $640 since at least February 2014 it just appears that Linn had a more recent price increase, but not a bigger one (although possibly larger all at one time). Then again if the MP-500 is more musical than the Adikt it would likely be worth the extra money.
As Tom says, give yourself a chance to listen the Nagaoka. I myself haven’t heard the Adikt, but very much Nagaoka. As said before, a very good match with the Slipsik. I’m enjoying it every day of playing. About the money, I’d say the Adikt’s price is similar as the MP300 (mine Nagaoka), the MP500 is priced a little higher. So if you have the opportunity make a comparison between the M500, MP300 and the Adikt. prices are similar, the MP500 probably a bit higher, but them are your ears to make the proposition for a decent musically decision.
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ThomasOK wrote: 2022-01-08 20:15
Mikeg wrote: 2022-01-08 19:08 Thanks Tom

Still going to be on the lookout for a cheaper alternative. How does the Adikt compare to the Goldring 1012? Any other recommendations?
I haven't played around a lot with the Goldrings but I don't believe they approach the Adikt. The Adikt was the most musical cartridge I have heard under at least $1200 and still is. I know a couple on the web prefer the Ortofon 2M Black but it is $755 and the stylus $576, so hardly a savings.

One thing that is very important to note is that the Adikt is NOT a Goldring cartridge - it is a Linn cartridge that just happens to be made by the parent company of Goldring, as is the Krystal. I just had a conversation a couple of weeks ago with a new Linn dealer who I helped out. He sold EMT cartridges for years and was happy when I told him EMT would be making the new Ekstatik as he liked EMTs. He had set up his Klimax LP12 with Radikal 2 and Ekstatik and was rather blown away by it saying it was the best turntable he had ever heard and that he couldn't believe the pitch accuracy, especially from a belt drive. Talking about the Klimax LP12 he said the Ekstatik doesn't sound like an EMT cartridge. My reply was "Of course not. Linn has cartridges made by Goldring, Lyra and EMT but none of their cartridges sound like a Goldring, a Lyra or an EMT because they are Linn designs, created to do what Linn wants them to do, that just happen to be made by Goldring, Lyra and EMT as they use whoever is best capable of making their designs the way they want them." In the past they also had cartridges made by Supex (before they went away) and Audio Technica, but all except the original Basik cartridge were made the way Linn specified them and most had design features not found on cartridges from the companies who made them.
Hmm I'm not so sure about your hypothesis Thomas .But hey-ho

I do however remember having a Goldring 1042 or something for a couple of years,then moved on to K18 followed by an Asaka.

A few years later I received a freebie Linn Klyde (very rarely happens and one of my favourite cartridges) from Linn .

I was having a pint with Peter Nowicki,who worked at Linn at the time ,and he asked me who I thought made the Klyde.I said it reminded me of a Goldring 1042 I had years previously.

So let me get this straight Thomas ,you are saying Goldring don't make any of linn cartridges but the company Armour-Home .That is very interesting Thomas,what other products do Armour-Home manufacturer ?

Maybe in your case with your ears and maybe not having experience with a cartridge made by a company who later go on to manufacture for Linn Thomas ,but it is possible to recognise who is sourcing the cartridge for Linn if you have used their cartridges extensively in the past.

I'm guessing by your rhetoric you haven't.

Similarly Malt fans can recognise which distillery manufactured the supermarket version of a particular Malt whiskey.
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Strange reply. If GM makes a car for you OEM that doesn't make it a Chevrolet. Somehow I think the Naim guys would also be unhappy if you said that the Solstice was just a Clearauido.

Certainly there are some characteristics that will be similar, after all there are reasons why Linn pick the companies they do to make their cartridges. But the designer of Lyra cartridges told a customer, in response to a question about who designs what, that the Linn Akiva shared no parts with any Lyra cartridge. And I already mentioned the dealer who had sold EMTs for years and commented that the Ekstatik didn't sound like an EMT. Linn's cartridges will be influenced by what company/person is making the cartridge, and they will use the technologies available from the manufacturer to make the cartridge they want, like the New Angle mounting by Lyra used on the Kandid. But Linn does a lot of R&D on their cartridges to make them sound the way they want them to sound and they do have differences in construction, often quite substantial, compared to other cartridges made by their OEMs.
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ThomasOK wrote: 2022-01-15 18:17 Strange reply. If GM makes a car for you OEM that doesn't make it a Chevrolet. Somehow I think the Naim guys would also be unhappy if you said that the Solstice was just a Clearauido.

Certainly there are some characteristics that will be similar, after all there are reasons why Linn pick the companies they do to make their cartridges. But the designer of Lyra cartridges told a customer, in response to a question about who designs what, that the Linn Akiva shared no parts with any Lyra cartridge. And I already mentioned the dealer who had sold EMTs for years and commented that the Ekstatik didn't sound like an EMT. Linn's cartridges will be influenced by what company/person is making the cartridge, and they will use the technologies available from the manufacturer to make the cartridge they want, like the New Angle mounting by Lyra used on the Kandid. But Linn does a lot of R&D on their cartridges to make them sound the way they want them to sound and they do have differences in construction, often quite substantial, compared to other cartridges made by their OEMs.
Thanks Thomas,but who manufactures the Krystal .. Armour-Home or Goldring ?
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Lego wrote: 2022-01-15 22:59
ThomasOK wrote: 2022-01-15 18:17 Strange reply. If GM makes a car for you OEM that doesn't make it a Chevrolet. Somehow I think the Naim guys would also be unhappy if you said that the Solstice was just a Clearauido.

Certainly there are some characteristics that will be similar, after all there are reasons why Linn pick the companies they do to make their cartridges. But the designer of Lyra cartridges told a customer, in response to a question about who designs what, that the Linn Akiva shared no parts with any Lyra cartridge. And I already mentioned the dealer who had sold EMTs for years and commented that the Ekstatik didn't sound like an EMT. Linn's cartridges will be influenced by what company/person is making the cartridge, and they will use the technologies available from the manufacturer to make the cartridge they want, like the New Angle mounting by Lyra used on the Kandid. But Linn does a lot of R&D on their cartridges to make them sound the way they want them to sound and they do have differences in construction, often quite substantial, compared to other cartridges made by their OEMs.
Thanks Thomas,but who manufactures the Krystal .. Armour-Home or Goldring ?
According to Linn Armour-Home, but that's really all semantics, isn't it?
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....'Armour Home is a manufacturer and distributor of award winning Hi-Fi, Home Cinema, Audio Visual Furniture and Multi-Room entertainment products. Armour Home was formed in 2003 as a result of the acquisition of Veda Products Ltd, QED Audio Products Ltd and Goldring Products Ltd. Myryad Systems Ltd was added to the group in 2004. Armour Home was further strengthened by the addition of Alphason Designs Ltd in 2006.'
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ThomasOK wrote: 2022-01-08 17:11 ... Yet the Majik LP12 itself is still $4995 - no price increase. Which makes it even more of a bargain and shows sensitivity to the competitive market. (Is there really a competitive turntable for $5000? Doubtful, but we are partly dealing with appearances here.)

But the passive Klimax 350s? Oh yeah, perceived value pricing seems likely.
Amongst brand new dealer sold turntables I'd be struggling to come up with suggestions for turntables that would beat a Majik LP12 for $5000.

If you go used it's easy to find Majik beating turntables for less than $5000.

Go on US ebay, search for used turntables costing less than £5000 and you'll find loads of examples of LP12 beaters.
These will mainly be 1970's to 1980's Japanese statement or upper end of the model range direct drives. With the odd German direct drive thrown in.
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