Random thoughts on hifi

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:-)

I think you are both right Tendaberry and David Neel!

On a more serious note I find it very interesting that the recording on the cd is not the problem so much as the system and setup we use.........
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Works for me beck!
David Neel wrote: 2021-06-04 11:02 Back in the 70s I seem to remember Linn claiming that using their turntable would improve any system. Not sure that this was what they meant!
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Charlie1 wrote: 2021-06-04 17:48 Works for me beck!
David Neel wrote: 2021-06-04 11:02 Back in the 70s I seem to remember Linn claiming that using their turntable would improve any system. Not sure that this was what they meant!
Lol 😆
Please do not tell me that you are getting into modern jazz Charlie1! ;-)

If you are the reason could be the bass player on the cd:

https://youtu.be/17qRY0XCuq0
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hello, I ask everyone who has experience .. how should the sondek be positioned with a plate on the wall or on a table in the colonnade? let me know from your experience the best sound, thanks
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Karousel wrote: 2021-06-05 11:30 hello, I ask everyone who has experience .. how should the sondek be positioned with a plate on the wall or on a table in the colonnade? let me know from your experience the best sound, thanks
When comparing the now long gone Audiotech table against the Audiotech shelf I think it was agreed that the table was the better solution (if the floor was “stable” enough).

So a table like the NoKTable that ThomasOK uses for his Sondek would be a good solution.
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beck wrote: 2021-06-04 18:47 Please do not tell me that you are getting into modern jazz Charlie1! ;-)

If you are the reason could be the bass player on the cd:

https://youtu.be/17qRY0XCuq0
I wouldn't go that far 😁 He was clearly super talented but most of it goes over my head. I preferred the bit when he just played bass by himself.
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Karousel wrote: 2021-06-05 11:30 hello, I ask everyone who has experience .. how should the sondek be positioned with a plate on the wall or on a table in the colonnade? let me know from your experience the best sound, thanks
I have a sound org wall shelf but always prefer a table or rack. The table is on suspended wooden floor so quite bouncy. Shelf sounds clearer. Table sounds more involving fir some reason.
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hi, in fact I have an audiotech table it is a Target wall shelf .. I am understanding that the audiotech table is much better, thanks for your reply
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I have to eat my own words. I love jazz!

This DDD recorded cd is being played again and again:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gic4ffz0mm5gi ... 6.jpg?dl=0

Do never underestimate what good setup can do to your taste in music. :-)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/paitu9w1q5y4e ... 2.mov?dl=0

.......featuring Johnny Griffin on tenor saxophone
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beck wrote: 2021-06-10 09:25 I have to eat my own words. I love jazz!

This DDD recorded cd is being played again and again:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gic4ffz0mm5gi ... 6.jpg?dl=0

Do never underestimate what good setup can do to your taste in music. :-)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/paitu9w1q5y4e ... 2.mov?dl=0

.......featuring Johnny Griffin on tenor saxophone
Excellent beck!
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Sounding good, beck! Music is communication. Once the level of perfromance of the gear allows it to communicate at a high enough level whole vistas of musical genres you didn't understand open up. Isn't it lovely?
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ThomasOK wrote: 2021-06-10 21:44 Sounding good, beck! Music is communication. Once the level of performance of the gear allows it to communicate at a high enough level whole vistas of musical genres you didn't understand open up. Isn't it lovely?
Spot on Thomas! :-)
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ThomasOK wrote: 2021-06-10 21:44 Sounding good, beck! Music is communication. Once the level of perfromance of the gear allows it to communicate at a high enough level whole vistas of musical genres you didn't understand open up. Isn't it lovely?
I was able to understand and enjoy most genres of music with very low quality of gear. It takes a little effort to learn each completely new genre. But for me the understanding has little relationship with the quality of the gear.
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FairPlayMotty wrote: 2021-06-10 22:40
ThomasOK wrote: Sounding good, beck! Music is communication. Once the level of perfromance of the gear allows it to communicate at a high enough level whole vistas of musical genres you didn't understand open up. Isn't it lovely?
I was able to understand and enjoy most genres of music with very low quality of gear. It takes a little effort to learn each completely new genre. But for me the understanding has little relationship with the quality of the gear.
Me too, but when you start on the “hifi ladder” things have a tendensy to go wrong music wise. Therefore it is important to keep the musical focus when “upgrading”.
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Sounding very good as always now beck.
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FairPlayMotty wrote: 2021-06-10 22:40
ThomasOK wrote: 2021-06-10 21:44 Sounding good, beck! Music is communication. Once the level of perfromance of the gear allows it to communicate at a high enough level whole vistas of musical genres you didn't understand open up. Isn't it lovely?
I was able to understand and enjoy most genres of music with very low quality of gear. It takes a little effort to learn each completely new genre. But for me the understanding has little relationship with the quality of the gear.
The better the system, the less the effort required to listen to any genre of music. In fact, the best systems are totally effortless.
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Spannko wrote: 2021-06-11 00:32
FairPlayMotty wrote: 2021-06-10 22:40
ThomasOK wrote: 2021-06-10 21:44 Sounding good, beck! Music is communication. Once the level of perfromance of the gear allows it to communicate at a high enough level whole vistas of musical genres you didn't understand open up. Isn't it lovely?
I was able to understand and enjoy most genres of music with very low quality of gear. It takes a little effort to learn each completely new genre. But for me the understanding has little relationship with the quality of the gear.
The better the system, the less the effort required to listen to any genre of music. In fact, the best systems are totally effortless.
I disagree. I don't believe ease of understanding music and system quality are linked. With very few genres aside I've listened to and understood a wide array of music since I was very young. I don't find it easier now to understand new music because my system has dramatically improved. Forums are an exchange of ideas and opinions.
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beck wrote: 2021-06-10 23:06
FairPlayMotty wrote: 2021-06-10 22:40
ThomasOK wrote: Sounding good, beck! Music is communication. Once the level of perfromance of the gear allows it to communicate at a high enough level whole vistas of musical genres you didn't understand open up. Isn't it lovely?
I was able to understand and enjoy most genres of music with very low quality of gear. It takes a little effort to learn each completely new genre. But for me the understanding has little relationship with the quality of the gear.
Me too, but when you start on the “hifi ladder” things have a tendensy to go wrong music wise. Therefore it is important to keep the musical focus when “upgrading”.
That's not been my experience Beck - on things going wrong music-wise.
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beck wrote: 2021-06-10 23:06
FairPlayMotty wrote: 2021-06-10 22:40
ThomasOK wrote: Sounding good, beck! Music is communication. Once the level of perfromance of the gear allows it to communicate at a high enough level whole vistas of musical genres you didn't understand open up. Isn't it lovely?
I was able to understand and enjoy most genres of music with very low quality of gear. It takes a little effort to learn each completely new genre. But for me the understanding has little relationship with the quality of the gear.
Me too, but when you start on the “hifi ladder” things have a tendensy to go wrong music wise. Therefore it is important to keep the musical focus when “upgrading”.
I agree, that's basically why I believe in only one change/mod at a time followed by listening long enough so as to let the change burn/settle in, some times a single change can take a week or two to really revile it's true impact on your system such as a big change like the introduction of a totally new pieces of equipment or an "upgrade" board replacement, other times you know instantly like when changing your equipment rack /placement/outlet strip. ...Also once you find a sound your happy with you begin to realize how the slightest change can sometimes impact that sound/tune in a very negative way.
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Spannko wrote: 2021-06-11 00:32
FairPlayMotty wrote: 2021-06-10 22:40
ThomasOK wrote: 2021-06-10 21:44 Sounding good, beck! Music is communication. Once the level of perfromance of the gear allows it to communicate at a high enough level whole vistas of musical genres you didn't understand open up. Isn't it lovely?
I was able to understand and enjoy most genres of music with very low quality of gear. It takes a little effort to learn each completely new genre. But for me the understanding has little relationship with the quality of the gear.
The better the system, the less the effort required to listen to any genre of music. In fact, the best systems are totally effortless.
+1. On beck system we listen different music (some of the titles I listen first time) and everything sounds very good, very musical = "level of performance" or "best system" just let the music / composer tell us (or at list to me) what is the idea ...
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Spannko wrote: 2021-06-11 00:32 The better the system, the less the effort required to listen to any genre of music. In fact, the best systems are totally effortless.
Any system that can make Ornette Coleman and Prime Time effortless has yet to be invented. The human brain needs practice at understanding new types of music to the listener. It has very little to do with the quality of the system.
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Good HiFi systems have really broadened my taste in music.

I'm not sure if I'd call it effortless, but a good system increases my understanding. On a bad system, I don't understand the point of it all and can't connect to the music emotionally. Even the tiniest sound can make me feel "duh", but when I hear it on a good system, I feel "ahh, yes!"
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I developed broad taste in music before I could afford a very high quality system. Even as a young child I was listening to the radio stations my mother chose on the kitchen radio which was pretty cheap and cheerful. My breakthrough moment came at fifteen listening to a Joni Mitchell track (Otis and Marlene) I recorded from the radio on a cheap music centre. That Joni Mitchell band was a stellar line up of jazz icons. For me it was music first. Then came good quality gear.

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Then why do you need a good HiFi system?

Personally I don't care about how it sounds, only by how affected I am by the music. If a kitchen radio does that as good or better, then I'll listen to that.
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lejonklou wrote: 2021-06-11 20:34 Then why do you need a good HiFi system?

Personally I don't care about how it sounds, only by how affected I am by the music. If a kitchen radio does that as good or better, then I'll listen to that.
To get closer to what was produced in the studio or live by the team making the music. It would need an off the charts kitchen radio to get close (and there are a few). Being affected by the music is key. I listen to music daily for two reasons, emotional effect on me and to alter my mood.
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