Streaming service

General HiFi discussion, using the Tune Method to evaluate performance

Moderator: Staff

u252agz
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 586
Joined: 2013-10-03 12:44
Location: UK

Re: Streaming service

Post by u252agz »

I would not go as far as to say Qobuz is completely flat and boring and completely unengaging - at least not in my system.

But Spotify is definitely more musical and enjoyable at the moment.

I have both at the moment and the only thing I am finding with Spotify is that there is not much classical music on there.

The spotify app still stubbornly fails to find my bedroom sneaky which is annoying but at least it reliably picks up the other 3 streamers - last year it seemed to flit from being able to find a streamer one day to not finding it the next - quite exasperating.
KDS2/Sagatun Tundra Monos /242s /LP12 Kore-KRad-Ekos SE/Slip 7

MajikLP12/Slip 6.1/ Boazu/ Komp110
User avatar
PetterS
Member
Member
Posts: 35
Joined: 2017-06-03 15:11

Re: Streaming service

Post by PetterS »

I have now evaluated Qobuz for almost three weeks and compared frequently with Spotify. I do also find Spotify more engaging and musical, with a few excemptions. Some (a few) tracks have been clearly better on Qobuz.
However, there might be an explanation, also concerning the different outcomes in this thread. On the Swedish Linn forum a member wrote that since a month Spotify is lossless in Sweden and UK but not in Germany.
Primare Np5 & NP30, Genki, Boazu, Ninka w. Poly. st., ICs: Linn Si & bl incl. dig, tt TD46,
matthias
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 1194
Joined: 2007-12-25 16:47
Location: Germany

Re: Streaming service

Post by matthias »

PetterS wrote: 2021-05-04 17:36 On the Swedish Linn forum a member wrote that since a month Spotify is lossless in Sweden and UK but not in Germany.
Yes, I have seen this post:
In Sweden and the UK (but not in eg Germany) Spotify has been sending out lossless for about a month now.
Nothing is visible in the app, but if you look you will see that it says 44/16, and 1411kbit / s if you look in the display on a DS / DSM.


So you need a DS or DSM to know exactly if it is Spotify lossless?

Matt
LP12 / Exposure / JBL3677
User avatar
springwood64
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 387
Joined: 2008-10-13 18:19
Location: UK

Re: Streaming service

Post by springwood64 »

matthias wrote: 2021-05-04 20:26
So you need a DS or DSM to know exactly if it is Spotify lossless?
Volumio Spotify Connect reports 44.1 KHz 16 bit

Comparing to Qobuz, so far everything I have listened to is more engaging on Spotify than Qobuz, but no more engaging than Radio Paradise
Pete

Linn Axis, Kinki, Hakai, Boazu, Espeks
matthias
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 1194
Joined: 2007-12-25 16:47
Location: Germany

Re: Streaming service

Post by matthias »

springwood64 wrote: 2021-05-04 20:57 Volumio Spotify Connect reports 44.1 KHz 16 bit
Pete,
what does Volumio report when Spotify sends Ogg Vorbis lossy?
Thanks

Matt
LP12 / Exposure / JBL3677
User avatar
springwood64
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 387
Joined: 2008-10-13 18:19
Location: UK

Re: Streaming service

Post by springwood64 »

matthias wrote: 2021-05-04 21:03 Pete,
what does Volumio report when Spotify sends Ogg Vorbis lossy?
Thanks

Matt
I've rattled through a selection of random tracks but I can't see anything reported other than 44.1/16
Pete

Linn Axis, Kinki, Hakai, Boazu, Espeks
matthias
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 1194
Joined: 2007-12-25 16:47
Location: Germany

Re: Streaming service

Post by matthias »

springwood64 wrote: 2021-05-04 21:19 I've rattled through a selection of random tracks but I can't see anything reported other than 44.1/16
So Spotify might be lossless now in the UK?
Maybe the jump in musicality what @u252agz reported too?

Matt
LP12 / Exposure / JBL3677
Discodave
Active member
Active member
Posts: 197
Joined: 2017-05-18 14:50
Location: Belfast, Ireland

Re: Streaming service

Post by Discodave »

matthias wrote: 2021-05-04 20:26
PetterS wrote: 2021-05-04 17:36 On the Swedish Linn forum a member wrote that since a month Spotify is lossless in Sweden and UK but not in Germany.
Yes, I have seen this post:
In Sweden and the UK (but not in eg Germany) Spotify has been sending out lossless for about a month now.
Nothing is visible in the app, but if you look you will see that it says 44/16, and 1411kbit / s if you look in the display on a DS / DSM.


So you need a DS or DSM to know exactly if it is Spotify lossless?

Matt
I 1st seen this detail on my Majik Ds a couple of.months ago. I reported it in another thread.
LP12, Hercules 2, Cirkus, Basik Plus, Rega Ania, Linto
Majik Ds, Kisto, Majik 2100, Majik 109
matthias
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 1194
Joined: 2007-12-25 16:47
Location: Germany

Re: Streaming service

Post by matthias »

mrco99 wrote: 2021-05-03 05:42 It seems the launch of a lossless Apple Hifi streaming option is also in the works

https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/01/ios-14-6 ... eferences/

Interesting times ahead.
Yes, it is supposed to come in June. Interesting that Apple seem to care about SQ:

https://www.apple.com/itunes/docs/apple ... asters.pdf

I am curious when and how Spotify will react to this launch.

Matt
LP12 / Exposure / JBL3677
User avatar
ThomasOK
Very active member
Very active member
Posts: 3341
Joined: 2007-02-02 18:41
Location: United States
Contact:

Re: Streaming service

Post by ThomasOK »

With the emphasis on Dloby Atmos and a slight mention of lossless at the end of the article I'm not so sure they aren't more focused on special effects and marketing than on sound quality.
The LP12 Whisperer
Manufacturer, Distributor, Retailer and above all lover of music.
Post Reply