The value, appreciation of music in younger days and at some age

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The value, appreciation of music in younger days and at some age

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Hi Friends,

The recent death of David Crosby and Jeff Beck triggered me a question.
The joy of music in my younger days I think was the outcome of a common peer group experience, we escaping from rather narrow social life those days, dancing together away on random played 45 rpm singles, the joy nowadays appears to me as more related to determined individual listening experience of complete albums with more sophisticated music system than in the old tube radio or wireless transistor days. Apart from the joy I still experience going out for gigs and concerts and sharing ideas and experiences on this forum.
How about you forum friends?
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Most of my life music has been a pretty individual pursuit.

In contrast, in the last couple of years, I've found digital music in the home has made it a much more inclusive and social activity, leading to discovery of much more music involving the whole family.

At the same time I've experienced a lot more live music with friends.
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There were times where I was part of the shared experience and other parts where I was less so. When I went to see King Crimson live it always bothered me when some idiot yelled "Rock and Roll" in the middle of a piece of music - especially if it was a quiet part. I came to listen to the music, not the idiot. With other music I might get more into the group feel. But then King Crimson was never into the rowdy crowds. Sometimes Robert Fripp would refuse to play until the audience was quiet. They took this further with the last generation coming out in suits and banning photographing or video making until after the encore. They treated it more like a classical concert where you were there to listen. When I really listen at home I generally want to sit down and listen to a whole album but I rarely get time. More often I am just putting on a soft jazz playlist on the Källa and letting it run. I keep it on all day for Lily as well.

This next part doesn't tie into personal experience but is just some unusual observations over the last couple of weeks that made me think. The first was an interview with Steven Wilson who has a strong solo career, was the founder of Porcupine Tree who recently got together again and did a tour which I attended, and is very in demand to remix albums. He started doing this for a lot of the progressive groups like King Crimson, Jethro Tull, ELP, Gentle Giant and Yes, etc. and lately has been doing other groups like XTC, Tears for Fears, Tangerine Dream, Black Sabbath and others.

In the interview he mentioned finding that his daughters listened to music in a completely different way than he and his generation did. He said that he (and this certainly relates to my experience) would hear something on the radio that he liked and would then have to find who the artist or group was. Then he would go out, buy the album and if it was good find out more about the group and it's members often buying other albums by the same group or featuring members of the group in different settings. His children, brought up in the age of streaming, didn't listen that way at all. When they wanted to listen to music they would ask him to play a song. If he asked "Who did it?" they would have no idea. They didn't know the musicians, groups or albums. They just knew the songs they liked and wanted to listen to that. Then the streaming service would play a similar song. If they liked it they would listen, if not they would skip to the next one. All the time they were blissfully unaware of who was making the music. He saw this as a paradigm change in the consumption of music (as do I now that it has been brought to my attention) and wondered how it would change the music business over the next decades. Good question!

The second one was an article about record sales and where that market is going. The article said that the record labels are signing their own death warrant by continuing to raise the price of records to squeeze every last penny out of their catalogs instead of investing in expanding production and lowering prices to make LPs a mass market again, which is what growing, successful companies do (Tesla, anyone?). But also in that article it mentioned that of the Gen Xers who buy LP albums it has been found that 50% don't own a turntable! They just buy them as a fan item, like a T-Shirt but cooler. So half of all those Taylor Swift albums that just sold won't be played. This also brings into question how much the vinyl revival is an actual revival of the way people listen to music and how much is them just buying the artifacts.

As Bob Dylan said: The Times They Are a-Changin"
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I think in some ways music played a more important role when I was in my teens with hormones running wild etc.
ThomasOK wrote: 2023-01-21 20:36 His children, brought up in the age of streaming, didn't listen that way at all. When they wanted to listen to music they would ask him to play a song. If he asked "Who did it?" they would have no idea. They didn't know the musicians, groups or albums. They just knew the songs they liked and wanted to listen to that. Then the streaming service would play a similar song. If they liked it they would listen, if not they would skip to the next one. All the time they were blissfully unaware of who was making the music.
Just to counter that, my eldest (14) is into music and most of the time knows who the artist is on the car radio during the school run - I often ask. Surprising really when 80% of her listening is to Harry Styles, and consequently, about 40% of our listening is to Harry Styles :D

Most nights we hear her upstairs marching up and down in her room listening through headphones - I can relate to that but with a walkman 3-4 decades earlier. I think she misses the act of playing a whole album though, or side of an album - the phone is just a jukebox. My youngest only listens in bed (quite regularly) but no idea what she listens to on spotify.
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Interesting contributions by Pete, Thomas and Charlie. I wonder if there are others on this forum to share their experiences with listening to music and being involved otherwise over the years, depending on age, on zeitgeist, probably influenced by developing technical music carriers/sources. Or is it only improvement of sound that we are interested in in this forum, delivered by ever sophisticated devices? Just asking.
Ps. Last night I was at a concert in early middle age church in the city of Leeuwarden of the Netherlands Chamber Choir and flutist Ana de la Vega. Most visitors were at some age. A wonderful concert, The Sealed Angel by Shchedrin, colorful layered harmonies, whistling and voice exploding in a way imo can’t be be reproduced on even the most sophisticated audio system. I enjoy my Lenco setup very much but some live concerts are hard to beat.
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