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Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 03:22
by markiteight
lejonklou wrote: ↑2021-09-22 00:09
I hope you'll give me a few days more. I'll sleep much better once I know that I've nailed everything.
No. You got four years, that's all the time we'll give you! Release the Källa NOOOOWWWW!!!
;-)))
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 08:12
by springwood64
lejonklou wrote: ↑2021-09-22 00:09
I'll sleep much better once I know that I've nailed everything.
I'm impressed by your drive and commitment to achieving the best you can.
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 09:31
by matthias
springwood64 wrote: ↑2021-09-22 08:12
I'm impressed by your drive and commitment to achieving the best you can.
+1
Matt
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 10:02
by PetterS
springwood64 wrote: ↑2021-09-22 08:12
lejonklou wrote: ↑2021-09-22 00:09
I'll sleep much better once I know that I've nailed everything.
I'm impressed by your drive and commitment to achieving the best you can.
Indeed, very impressive.
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 12:22
by macrotech2
I suspect Fredrik’s attention to detail is unmatched in the whole industry.
The big question for me is are any of these units making their way to the UK? Given my previous experience of Lejonklou products, I’d be happy to buy one sight unseen!
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 12:42
by matthias
macrotech2 wrote: ↑2021-09-22 12:22
I’d be happy to buy one sight unseen!
Ha, then you would change your signature :-)
Matt
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 12:57
by Defender
how about this Fredrik (maybe you do that already)
parallize the process
lets say you have 10 units now - fit the 10 units with the 10 different values or components. Let them heat up all together and test them
than work further with the best sounding value/ component and xcheck if its still sounding best in all the other 9 units
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 13:25
by macrotech2
matthias wrote: ↑2021-09-22 12:42
macrotech2 wrote: ↑2021-09-22 12:22
I’d be happy to buy one sight unseen!
Ha, then you would change your signature :-)
Matt
Hopefully! There’s not enough room to specify I haven’t heard the KDS Organic, but the Vitus was so far ahead anyway. Given Fredrik’s track record I have very high hopes.
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 13:57
by lejonklou
Thank you everyone!
There's a fine line between commitment and unhealthy obsession.
If I had a boss, she would have declared the project finished long ago. But now I'm the boss.
I remember Ivor saying that the most difficult task is to know when a product is ready. There's always a possibility you'll be able to improve it further, if you just keep throwing time and money on it. Well, he was right. And I really appreciate being in charge of this decision.
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 14:38
by Arjen
Acrobatics on a high wire Fredrik? Saved by Bungee Cord sometimes during the walk?
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 14:40
by cortina
True indeed.
Plus, stopping at a healthy level both brings the product to the market in time possibly avoiding potential customers buying other products (whether hi-fi or spending on other priorities) and as a side-effect makes a future version 2.0 somewhat better (relatively).
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 15:33
by matthias
cortina wrote: ↑2021-09-22 14:40
potential customers buying other products
Really?
Matt
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 15:46
by cortina
Why not? Depends on how long they have considered buying something else before they heard about Källa. Not everybody is absolutely sure about buying a 6 000 € streamer unheard and may have/run into other expenses. And potentielly a significant other that may long for something else.
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 15:54
by matthias
cortina wrote: ↑2021-09-22 15:46
Why not? Depends on how long they have considered buying something else before they heard about Källa. Not everybody is absolutely sure about buying a 6 000 € streamer unheard and may have/run into other expenses. And potentielly a significant other that may long for something else.
Sorry I disagree,
this short delay does not count for these decisions.
Matt
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 16:08
by Defender
yes Cortina what you say is true ... for other brands and products but for the first movers (early adopters) here I think the considered alternatives are limited.
So all what you say is true and thats the approach of 99.9% of other businesses especially being happy with the 80% rule for product features and quality.
Fredrik is different and thats why we are not necessarily „happy to wait“ but we wait as we know its worth it.
The only competition for me is investing the money in other products from him :)
I think you are working either in Sales, Marketing or Product Management (with Sales being my first guess)
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 16:18
by cortina
matthias wrote: ↑2021-09-22 15:54
Sorry I disagree,
this short delay does not count for these decisions.
Matt
On that I totally agree.
I was commenting on the general issue of not knowing when to stop. Not a few days.
In general it can be months or
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 16:21
by matthias
Defender wrote: ↑2021-09-22 16:08
yes Cortina what you say is true for other brands
Not even true for other brands. We have a worldwide shortage of chips. A lot of products are delayed for example Schiit products in the US. They announced products for the end of last year which are not yet ready and people are waiting patiently.
Matt
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 16:24
by cortina
Defender wrote: ↑2021-09-22 16:08
yes Cortina what you say is true ... for other brands and products but for the first movers (early adopters) here I think the considered alternatives are limited.
So all what you say is true and thats the approach of 99.9% of other businesses especially being happy with the 80% rule for product features and quality.
Fredrik is different and thats why we are not necessarily „happy to wait“ but we wait as we know its worth it.
The only competition for me is investing the money in other products from him :)
I think you are working either in Sales, Marketing or Product Management (with Sales being my first guess)
You’re occupation guesses were interesting but mostly wrong.
But I am quite convinced that there are people outside this small group that are contemplating what to upgrade to or even
shall I really spend money on another streamer or be happy with What I have got etc. There is a risk that not being available may tip the balance. (Again as I was commenting in general not days or two weeks delay).
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 16:29
by tokenbrit
Discussions while we wait for Fredrik... (cue
intermission music :)
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 16:56
by V.A.MKD
Defender wrote: ↑2021-09-22 16:08
Fredrik is different and thats why we are not necessarily „happy to wait“ but we wait as we know its worth it.
The only competition for me is investing the money in other products from him :)
Yes, +1.
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 17:16
by Kantata Audio
macrotech2 wrote: ↑2021-09-22 12:22
I suspect Fredrik’s attention to detail is unmatched in the whole industry.
The big question for me is are any of these units making their way to the UK? Given my previous experience of Lejonklou products, I’d be happy to buy one sight unseen!
Hi Macrotech,
Kantata Audio will have a demo unit from the first batch!
Looking forward to it in the coming days.
Please get in touch if you want to arrange a demo.
John.
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 17:28
by springwood64
macrotech2 wrote: ↑2021-09-22 12:22
The big question for me is are any of these units making their way to the UK? Given my previous experience of Lejonklou products, I’d be happy to buy one sight unseen!
Hidden Systems stock Lejonklou?
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 17:33
by matthias
springwood64 wrote: ↑2021-09-22 17:28
Hidden Systems stock Lejonklou?
Yes, three resellers in UK.
Matt
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 17:35
by macrotech2
matthias wrote: ↑2021-09-22 17:33
springwood64 wrote: ↑2021-09-22 17:28
Hidden Systems stock Lejonklou?
Yes, three resellers in UK.
Matt
I was just wondering whether there were any Brexit issues. Thanks for everyone’s help.
Re: Four years in the making
Posted: 2021-09-22 17:38
by springwood64
macrotech2 wrote: ↑2021-09-22 17:35
matthias wrote: ↑2021-09-22 17:33
springwood64 wrote: ↑2021-09-22 17:28
Hidden Systems stock Lejonklou?
Yes, three resellers in UK.
Matt
I was just wondering whether there were any Brexit issues. Thanks for everyone’s help.
Apart from too little CO2 (in canisters), too much CO2 (in the atmosphere), emptying supermarket shelves (too few lorry drivers), collapsing energy suppliers....
As a child of the seventies it almost makes me nostalgic for the winter of discontent