Re: HAKAI playground
Posted: 2020-11-12 13:05
Here are two clips comparing 2 separate Snakeoil configurations.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipM ... tJYUU1RjlB
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipM ... tJYUU1RjlB
https://www.lejonklou.com/forum/
A on quick listen but found the percussion a bit distracting in both and couldn't help wondering if that's from the slightly unusual recording position... Would the clips sound different if recorded from a position closer to where your head would be when you listen to music? Or do you listen sitting on the floor? :) I know, from one of Thomas's posts, that there were speakers tuned for listening prone, but thought that was down to '60s influences ;)springwood64 wrote: ↑2020-11-12 13:05 Here are two clips comparing 2 separate Snakeoil configurations.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipM ... tJYUU1RjlB
That's an interesting question. I'll look at recording clips at head height in future. I'm 1/3 of the way through speaker position tuning, which might also be a factor.tokenbrit wrote: ↑2020-11-12 14:00 A on quick listen but found the percussion a bit distracting in both and couldn't help wondering if that's from the slightly unusual recording position... Would the clips sound different if recorded from a position closer to where your head would be when you listen to music? Or do you listen sitting on the floor? :) I know, from one of Thomas's posts, that there were speakers tuned for listening prone, but thought that was down to '60s influences ;)
I agree that this is some of the best work done by Helena Christensen! ;-)ThomasOK wrote: ↑2020-11-14 18:54 I'm late to the game so it isn't blind but I definitely prefer the second clip. Nice choice of music, one of my favorite songs. Reminds me a lot of a relationship I had a little over 20 years ago. There is a very good video that goes with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlJew-Dw87I
Originally posted in the wrong thread.
Nice music David.I preferred B and DDavid Neel wrote: ↑2021-01-25 19:55 Here are two pairs of clips. Which do people prefer?
A: https://www.dropbox.com/s/90rjdtfoq06th ... 5.mp4?dl=0
B: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5aaxbpy0r0kbl ... 4.mp4?dl=0
C: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vrhj4dstspzxi ... 2.mp4?dl=0
D: https://www.dropbox.com/s/iymcdip8943sx ... 8.mp4?dl=0
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A & D for me ...David Neel wrote: ↑2021-01-25 19:55 Here are two pairs of clips. Which do people prefer?
A: https://www.dropbox.com/s/90rjdtfoq06th ... 5.mp4?dl=0
B: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5aaxbpy0r0kbl ... 4.mp4?dl=0
C: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vrhj4dstspzxi ... 2.mp4?dl=0
D: https://www.dropbox.com/s/iymcdip8943sx ... 8.mp4?dl=0
Great, so I picked one of each... Of course :DDavid Neel wrote: ↑2021-01-26 21:03 The differences were that A and C had the Hakai running a 300GB Intel 320 with Debian Stretch, controlled from Kazoo via AssetUPnP on the LSNAS. B and D were from a 160GB Intel 320 with Volumio 2.411 running MPD 21.16, with Volumio accessing the files directly.
Why not :) 'In' sounded a bit more vibrant, bordering on splashy. 'Out' took that brighter edge off, but sounded a fraction less engaging... problem is, I tend to be sensitive to bright recordings so found 'out' easier to listen to, but was left wondering whether the recordings did justice to the difference, more so than being comfortable picking a musical winner. Is that on the fence enough? :DDavid Neel wrote: ↑2021-01-26 22:23Yes. Based on your record with the last comparison, how do you feel about an opinion on the current one? :D
PS: Don't worry, it's very close in the room...
No. I was listening to the Volumio Hakai with it sharing a shelf with Gigaport HD+ and Entity. Then I recorded the Debian clips first, but took the Kremlin away from the top shelf so that I could use it to remove the top of the Hakai case and do the comparison without continually moving and re-screwing the case. This gave a noticeable improvement over what I was used to. So I imagined that I may have been wrong to prefer Volumio after I duplicated kallesprat's comparison last year. So much that I focused on holding the phone steady for the clips rather than listening. I was surprised that Volumio was universally, well, almost;) preferred - in my head, Debian had this won. So when I went back and actually listened to my clips again, I realised that Volumio was better than I had thought. On a par with Debian. In the room Debian is perhaps slightly more sonorous, but Volumio is now, again, on form. The differences between my memory of recent listening and the clips are presumably accounted for by the changes I made, i.e. different shelf placement and different SSD placement.
Yes, not universally ;)David Neel wrote: ↑2021-01-27 00:07 I recorded the Debian clips first, but took the Kremlin away from the top shelf so that I could use it to remove the top of the Hakai case and do the comparison without continually moving and re-screwing the case. This gave a noticeable improvement over what I was used to...
I was surprised that Volumio was universally, well, almost;) preferred...
It's been a good lesson in expectation bias...
Thank you David.David Neel wrote: ↑2021-01-26 18:56 The music was (A, B) Sudovian Dance, from Spark of Life, Marcin Wasilewski Trio and Joakim Milder. C and D were Anthem, from A Thousand Kisses Deep, Christine Tobin.
On initial listening outside sounded(not musically) better ie inside sounded slightly distorted in the upper register..jeez I hope Fredrik is sleeping ..lol....not much in it but I'd choose outside.I recently built a Hakai Nas with openmediavault but it said my 600 had errors and needed fixing so used it in the streamer initial impressions were a lot more exciting than 300 but a bit rough sounding .I'm going to do clips to be sure .Also with Volumio grabbing music NFS is miles better than cifs ..not even close .David Neel wrote: ↑2021-01-26 21:03 The differences were that A and C had the Hakai running a 300GB Intel 320 with Debian Stretch, controlled from Kazoo via AssetUPnP on the LSNAS. B and D were from a 160GB Intel 320 with Volumio 2.411 running MPD 21.16, with Volumio accessing the files directly.
Although I had done this comparison a while back, and chosen Volumio, I had been getting dissatisfied recently, so went back to Debian. However, doing the comparison has lifted the performance of Volumio over what I've been hearing recently, so here's a pair of clips, both with Volumio. Can anybody hear a difference between the SSD outside the case (to ease the previous comparisons) and bolted back in? (That's not the only detail change since I was dissatisfied, I also changed the shelf position - but one element at a time.)
Out: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3qckwx7856840 ... 3.mp4?dl=0
In: https://www.dropbox.com/s/o0f8uoah9vhd1 ... 9.mp4?dl=0