sunbeamgls called it "careful" and opined that "you wouldn't want to play Yello through that...."
Thank you, sense of calm seems a much better description :)
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sunbeamgls called it "careful" and opined that "you wouldn't want to play Yello through that...."
sunbeamgls called it "careful" and opined that "you wouldn't want to play Yello through that...."David Neel wrote: ↑2018-11-19 19:52 [quote=Charlie1 post_id=38410 time=<a href="tel:1542619712">1542619712</a> user_id=203]
I like your system through the clips David - seems nicely balanced with a sense of calm too.
The ADS/3 certainly has its merits. I'm not sure what you mean by "physical", but the sound is perhaps more "natural" than Hakai, and it would win in "hifi" terms. In the room, it was closer than the clips, hence why I resorted to clips.
The Hakai N3050N-D2P wins for me. Thanks for the clips David.David Neel wrote: ↑2018-11-19 19:26 The streamers were:
1. ADS/3
2. Hakai N3160N-D3V
3. Hakai N3050N-D2P
Marcus Miller!... I'm sure..Track 1 good second set maybe track 2 bestSopper wrote: ↑2018-11-19 15:17 2 x 2 clips HAKAI ESI dac vs RME dac
MPD version 20.21
instrumental this time
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i03bx65unwdto ... 2.MOV?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ozpcv90199o9 ... 3.MOV?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/19u3g6qjdflas ... 5.MOV?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8adso13szb7ff ... 6.MOV?dl=0
Matt, i disagree with your statements; it’s not that simplematthias wrote: ↑2018-11-19 21:14 Thanks Sopper and David for these great comparisons.
The results seem to be, starting from page 9:
ADSM + RME is superior to HAKAI + RME
HAKAI + ESI is superior to ADSM + RME
HAKAI + ESI is superior to ADS/3
So HAKAI + ESI is much superior to HAKAI + RME or maybe HAKAI dislikes so much to be with RME that ADSM can outperform HAKAI as streamer when not matched with ESI.
Matt
Sopper,Sopper wrote: ↑2018-11-19 22:26 Matt, i disagree with your statements; it’s not that simple
I believe that the difference between RME and ESI is not that obvious.
The performance of both dacs are related to the music played with them.
ESI wins hands down when music with emotion, which is not related to perfect transition, is played.
RME excels in getting difficult (fast) and technical layers in music right and how it was recorded.
I’ll record some difficult clips next time
(Steven Wilson - Luminol (as example))
You’ll hear that the ESI makes a mess of the low frequencies and the RME executes it perfectly.
If I've correctly understood you, this is an important distinction. I'm translating this as the choice between enjoying music viscerally because the emotion dominates (and the music is well understood), and enjoying music both viscerally and cerebrally - because where additional nuance is unpacked we understand the music better.
That’s exactly what I mean, DavidDavid Neel wrote: ↑2018-11-20 19:12
If I've correctly understood you, this is an important distinction. I'm translating this as the choice between enjoying music viscerally because the emotion dominates (and the music is well understood), and enjoying music both viscerally and cerebrally - because where additional nuance is unpacked we understand the music better.
So the logical follow-on is that the musicality of a piece of hifi (if defined as musical enjoyment and engagement - evidenced by a strong desire to carry on listening) can be conditional on the music?Sopper wrote: ↑2018-11-20 19:34That’s exactly what I mean, DavidDavid Neel wrote: ↑2018-11-20 19:12
If I've correctly understood you, this is an important distinction. I'm translating this as the choice between enjoying music viscerally because the emotion dominates (and the music is well understood), and enjoying music both viscerally and cerebrally - because where additional nuance is unpacked we understand the music better.
OK, I just had a chance to listen to these now. I saw that somebody liked 3,2,1 but then I didn't scroll down further as I wanted to listen without seeing what was going on or what people liked.David Neel wrote: ↑2018-11-18 16:11 Three pairs of clips here, comparing ADS/3 and Hakai with two different motherboards:
1. https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0ys54uxhiba3 ... 9.mp4?dl=0
2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/n9zhbkxagh29b ... 8.mp4?dl=0
3. https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ftkm8s60ixh6 ... 2.mp4?dl=0
1. https://www.dropbox.com/s/96govcehwl57j ... 4.mp4?dl=0
2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/j45z3z2v52ka0 ... 2.mp4?dl=0
3. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ukvbbk0xeuhy2 ... 3.mp4?dl=0
I asked because I remembered (quite possibly incorrectly) that the earlier comparison was done with a different filter setting than some of the other comparisons. So I wanted to make sure we were comparing with what Sopper considered to be the most tuneful filter setting.lejonklou wrote: ↑2018-11-19 15:24I thought we already concluded that ESI Gigaport HD+ is better? *grin*Sopper wrote: ↑2018-11-19 15:17 2 x 2 clips HAKAI ESI dac vs RME dac
MPD version 20.21
instrumental this time
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i03bx65unwdto ... 2.MOV?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ozpcv90199o9 ... 3.MOV?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/19u3g6qjdflas ... 5.MOV?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8adso13szb7ff ... 6.MOV?dl=0
True, sofar i've tested SD Slow and Fast filters, and i like the Slow filter more.ThomasOK wrote: ↑2018-11-21 00:58
I asked because I remembered (quite possibly incorrectly) that the earlier comparison was done with a different filter setting than some of the other comparisons. So I wanted to make sure we were comparing with what Sopper considered to be the most tuneful filter setting.
In first set 1. was ESI and 2. was RME SD Slow filter
I’m using the latest
Good to hear you like all clips.ThomasOK wrote: ↑2018-11-21 18:03 OK, I went back and listened to both sets of clips several times and ran them longer than I did yesterday evening. I have to say I like all four clips and had to listen a bit to make up my mind. The RME has an appealing clarity making the notes stand out a bit more.
Can I have the best of both please?
Ah, that could be really significant. Musically, the difference between the different firmwares can be quite big, and the latest is not that good compared to 53.125, so a more musical firmware could possibly reverse the order of preference.
Personally I am way up for the Steven Wilson suggestion, or Porcupine Tree. Any good tracks, and there are many to choose from.Sopper wrote: ↑2018-11-21 18:17Good to hear you like all clips.ThomasOK wrote: ↑2018-11-21 18:03 OK, I went back and listened to both sets of clips several times and ran them longer than I did yesterday evening. I have to say I like all four clips and had to listen a bit to make up my mind. The RME has an appealing clarity making the notes stand out a bit more.
Can I have the best of both please?
And yes the good of both worlds would be best.
I’m open for suggestions for next comparisons
Songs, artists, etc, name it and I will make clips.
Art Ensemble of Chicago: Charlie M
I'm not (now) inclined to obsess over Davaar versions. For a long time I stuck with 22.1006 and loved it. When I wanted to try Space I had to update, and when I stopped using Space I reverted. Now I've upgraded to an ADS/3 I have little choice, old versions no longer work.