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by sunbeamgls
2017-04-13 10:47
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

I don't want to shoot anyone nor their opinions, so neither.
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-13 09:16
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

............... OK Fredrik, I accept there is no need for a new term, I just wanted to find a way differentiate between the strictest interpretation of source first and something a little more pragmatic - "source first is the priority", might be a better phrase. .......... Please give up and realiz...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-13 08:05
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

Oh, come on sunbeam! You know exactly what I mean. You coined the pointless concept "source only", which is what I'm objecting to. - A good musical source is wasted by a system that contains other components that destroy musicality False , as there are virtually no components that "destroy" musical...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-12 23:42
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

Sunbeam, please don't invent new concepts, there is no need for them. Source First has always meant the same thing, which is something everyone (except you) in this discussion knows and agrees upon. What you are advocating is called a 'balanced system approach'. This label was, as I recall it, coin...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-12 21:44
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

sunbeamgls, this is not intended to be blunt, nor is it a way to be rude. Still I have to say I'm convinced you don't understand source first a bit. I think Sunbeam understands what many of us mean now, based on some of his responses today. I'm not convinced. /Erik I fully understand source only Er...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-12 21:20
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

Your example of Rega into briks vs Linn into Graphyx is comparing speaker lead vs source lead systems and gave the expected result. This is not related to the points Ive been making which are about source first in a balanced way and nothing whatsoever to do with speakers first. Source first support...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-12 19:31
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

Understanding and accepting 'Source First' does not mean that one cannot break the rule and improve the system downstream, and enjoy the upgrade. These are some of my reasons for having broken the rule: Opportunity arises to do this at a favorable cost or ease of upgrade. Source upgrade is too expe...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-12 19:14
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

I think pretty much everyone on here takes it as obvious that you can make a system unlistenable with a really bad component placed anywhere in the chain. I think most would also agree that there is a tremendous amount of expensive and very expensive Hi-Fi that would fall into that really bad compo...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-12 19:08
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

Well, I'm not sure Tune Method tells you much about the other stuff described by ML earlier. And I'm pretty sure you miss a lot of the intent of Tentemoller's music through a pair of Kans. Which is a good example of where source first could be a better compromise than source only. sunbeamgls, this ...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-12 17:02
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

To all reading this People need to theorise less and experience more. Source First is deadly simple to understand, if you attend a demo. btw Source First isn't a rule. It's a principle ;) I've heard demos many times which is why I also understand source first. The demos I mentioned as examples also...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-12 13:06
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

........... Nait and Kan have too much missing from the message, even if they are musical. Isn't message and musicality the same? Well, I'm not sure Tune Method tells you much about the other stuff described by ML earlier. And I'm pretty sure you miss a lot of the intent of Tentemoller's music thro...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-12 12:06
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

A good debate to get to the heart of this topic, thanks for the contributions. It seems to me that the conclusion is source only, but don't screw that up with non-musical components down the chain, even if those musical components might loose some of the secondary information along the way. I'll sti...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-12 11:54
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

Agreed - it seems to me that the message is, for example, about excluding buying anything better than Boazu / 109 until you have a KDS/3 Yep, that's it. or whatever is thought of as a "good enough" source - and that source, as you suggest charlie1, is probably an individual choice - when is a sourc...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-12 11:52
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

Trust me, I rather have a KDS/Nait/Kan-system than ADS/K350A Probably right, but if anyone thinks I'm advocating ADS into K350A then they've completely misunderstood my point, as that is distinctly not source first, by any definition. I'd much rather have (off the top of my head), KRDS/1, AV5125 in...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-12 11:03
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

What L and ML are describing is, to me, not source first but source only. Thank you for clarifying your interpretations. Anytime :) But to be clear, for me: "source first = source only" Yes, the best source going to get you the most musical result. But not always the best sounding system, as your e...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-12 11:02
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

As ML wrote, once the source is optimised (Klimax LP12, KDS) then the pre-amp is the next focus until optimised, then power amp, then speakers. So yes, KDS, Boazu, 109s would be a good source first way of spending funds. Would you really connect a KDS to a Bush midi system from the 1980s? No. The s...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-12 07:58
Forum: HiFi
Topic: Listening to Beatles on vinyl
Replies: 9
Views: 10116

Re: Listening to Beatles on vinyl

Play the one you enjoy most.
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-12 07:52
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

Source first is, to me, based on also hearing countless systems, a priority, and the correct one at that. And yes, it has the most fundamental effect. Weakest link is a poor analogy, I fully agree, with the exception of a system where the source is the weakest link, where the analogy is appropriate....
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-11 23:57
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

Its all about loss, regardless of component - they all loose some of the music, despite each component doing different things in the chain - it seems that using a great source and then squandering its output through mediocre components is a waste of that source. Loss is cumulative (that's why sourc...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-11 19:54
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

Your percentage calculation reveals that you don't understand the concept of Source First, sunbeamgls. The numbers are beyond crude, as it doesn't work that way at all. The source does something completely different than the downstream components. Its all about loss, regardless of component - they ...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-11 18:00
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

... a good musical signal at the source can be mangled into non-musical content by later components, including crossovers. Not really. The quality of a great source is evident even when put through a bad system. Like back in the day when I played cassette tapes on my lousy kitchen radio: The casset...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-11 12:22
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

I played about with source first several years ago once I started to get a clearer understanding from forum members here. I recall connecting my LP12 to our ageing Technics midi system. It didn't sound much from a hi-fi perspective but all the fun was there and it was enjoyable. The best way to dis...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-11 07:47
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

Re: The meaning of Source First

... a good musical signal at the source can be mangled into non-musical content by later components, including crossovers. Not really. The quality of a great source is evident even when put through a bad system. Like back in the day when I played cassette tapes on my lousy kitchen radio: The casset...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-10 19:52
Forum: HiFi
Topic: The meaning of Source First
Replies: 143
Views: 109311

The meaning of Source First

Split from the topic 'Listening to Beatles on vinyl' Speakers without crossover next thing on the list? :-) The greatest impact on musicality is at the source and the speaker crossover is far from it. Matt Yes, however, a good musical signal at the source can be mangled into non-musical content by ...
by sunbeamgls
2017-04-07 10:46
Forum: For Sale
Topic: ***SOLD*** LINN Majik Exaktbox-i. Mint. Black. Warranty to 2020
Replies: 0
Views: 2664

***SOLD*** LINN Majik Exaktbox-i. Mint. Black. Warranty to 2020

***SOLD*** thanks FOR SALE (due to upgrading) - Linn Majik Exaktbox-i - 8 Channels - Exakt engines - 8x DACs - 8x 100W poweramps - Black and mint condition - Transferable Warranty to October 2020 - Original Linn packaging - Current list price £3950 - Price is £2950 including UK mainland shipping Pho...