Thanks for all your responses guys. Food for thought.

And Source First is not a theory, it's a finding . A conclusion drawn from countless comparisons where not a single diversion has been noted from the pattern that an improvement closer to the source has a greater musical impact than virtually any degradation happening later in the chain . Thanks fo...

I cant see the debate moving forward now. Only new experiences may change things. Viewpoints seem set now.

I think that's the best analogy I've heard. Thanks Spannko.

To summarise, there's been two threads to this topic. There is the source first finding itself, which is one thread. Glad the source only name has been challenged and we can just debate the meaning of source first. Sunbeam thinks it means something else to many of us but I still maintain he understa...

Your example of Rega into briks vs Linn into Graphyx is comparing speaker lead vs source lead systems and gave the expected result. This is not related to the points Ive been making which are about source first in a balanced way and nothing whatsoever to do with speakers first. Source first support...

Erik wrote:sunbeamgls, this is not intended to be blunt, nor is it a way to be rude. Still I have to say I'm convinced you don't understand source first a bit.

I think Sunbeam understands what many of us mean now, based on some of his responses today.

So this is essentially saying that there are many systems on this forum that are not musically as good as the source only approach suggests the budget could've achieved. Sorry Sunbeam, my comprehension skills let me down there and I read it differently. Ignore my previous answer to this. I do agree...

Thanks charlie1. So this is essentially saying that there are many systems on this forum that are not musically as good as the source only approach suggests the budget could've achieved. Not really. Just that not everyone understands or likes the source first approach. I suspect many of those syste...

Thanks charlie1. So this is essentially saying that there are many systems on this forum that are not musically as good as the source only approach suggests the budget could've achieved.[/quote] Completely agree. I suspect many of those systems are still being enjoyed by their owners. Yes, but would...

Agreed - it seems to me that the message is, for example, about excluding buying anything better than Boazu / 109 until you have a KDS/3 Yep, that's it. or whatever is thought of as a "good enough" source - and that source, as you suggest charlie1, is probably an individual choice - when is a sourc...

And Source First is not a theory, it's a finding . A conclusion drawn from countless comparisons where not a single diversion has been noted from the pattern that an improvement closer to the source has a greater musical impact than virtually any degradation happening later in the chain . Thanks fo...

I have to say, according to the forum rules, source first is described as a hierarchy, not an absolute. It's still a hierarchy to my mind. As ML wrote, once the source is optimised (Klimax LP12, KDS) then the pre-amp is the next focus until optimised, then power amp, then speakers. So yes, KDS, Boa...

Its all about loss, regardless of component - they all loose some of the music, despite each component doing different things in the chain - it seems that using a great source and then squandering its output through mediocre components is a waste of that source. Loss is cumulative (that's why sourc...

The clip that makes you want to go on listening is the analog mono vinyl. The other is my first generation digitally remastered stereo. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ma1hb08uerw19ao/Video%2010-04-2017%2009.46.22.mov?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/so787a9yten4v0e/Video%2010-04-2017%2009.43.22.mov?dl=0 T...

Its an interesting one - and its not all about how much the kit costs. A NAD 3020 back in the day had some faults from a "hifi" perspective, such as a somewhat bloated upper bass, but it was a very enjoyable and musical amp for only £90 at the time - easily bettering many of the shiny Japanese amps...

This post brings back great memories of listening late at night with a NAD 3020 which had a button for late night listening ,not sure if it was the loudness button (which boosted bass and treble)or mute button i used which reduced volume if you wanted to answer the phone etc ,enabling you to turn v...

I played about with source first several years ago once I started to get a clearer understanding from forum members here. I recall connecting my LP12 to our ageing Technics midi system. It didn't sound much from a hi-fi perspective but all the fun was there and it was enjoyable. The best way to dist...

Lego wrote:boring old master tape sound

I've never heard a master tape but wouldn't that be better than any LP?

Apparently Harman has a single development team for all their products (JBL, Mark Levinson, AKG etc).

Thanks Leo! I will get one of those :)

I emailed John Burns who advised distilled water and cotton buds. It wasn't a solid blob in the end - just a pile of particles sat on top of the cantilever.

I keep my Akiva clean using green paper each play, Lyra SPT every 2-3 LPs and silly putty once in a while. I use a carbon brush to help prevent too much dust etc being melted onto the stylus. However, I can see some form of blob has begun to accumulate (including the top of the stylus end) as it's n...

Probably it is a stupid question, but if I would go for a tundra now instead of the Boazu, violating hierachy and using the Kikkin, how much worse would that be? And how much better than the Boazu could I get by adding the Sagatun? Using separated poweramps, it is easier to upgrade later on (still ...

I used to own a Kikkin. When out of phase it would sound a bit muffled and music wouldn't flow so well. I can only assume the Boazu is similarly effected when connected out of phase, so important to get right so that you can make a fair comparison.

Kikkin is reverse phase. Just want to check, did you correct the phase when switching to Boazu? Also, are you using the Lejonklou mains lead?