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Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-03-07 12:14
by lejonklou
Ok, thanks!
Curious what creation you’ll end up with. I’d sure be happy to try it, just like your crimped copper bananas!
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-03-21 20:30
by markiteight
If you're looking for posts about loudspeaker internal wiring, they've been moved to their own thread, here.
-Moderator
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-03-29 17:43
by sittertal
Hello everybody
I haven’t been posting here for many years. But now I managed to do some clips with two different preamplifiers. Non of them is listed in my profile. I wonder which of them you find more musical. My Kandid is 5 years old and has probably more than 5000 hours on it. Hopefully it will get a replacement next week. Because I have to return one of the pres next week I can only make the comparison with the old Cartridge.
1A)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/plj95ox6 ... lkt58&dl=0
1B)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/n51zcmbd ... yq3hd&dl=0
2A)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/890eqwrn ... fw864&dl=0
2B)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/hu4sg7v8 ... 1cxqw&dl=0
3A)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/947zbwaw ... c25wi&dl=0
3B)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/uza68d62 ... zs330&dl=0
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-03-29 19:40
by David Neel
Nice to hear that your Kandid is still going - mine is only 4 years old but starting to lose its edge.
I prefer B on all clips. It seems better able to present a coherent musical picture.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-03-29 20:50
by ThomasOK
I'm with David on this. I find B more musical on all three tracks. I did notice that Bourée sounded a bit muted on both tracks. Initially I thought it might be a finger partly covering a mic but the tracks looked too steady to be handheld. Nice variety in the tracks.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-03-29 23:24
by Charlie1
B for me as well on tracks 1 and 3. I couldn't get me ear into 2 so will take a pass on that.
Similar to Thomas, I thought the tracks sounded a bit muffed for 242s - not out of phase are they, or perhaps a phone case blocking the mic?
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-03-30 00:07
by sittertal
The Tracks were recorded on an iPad sitting on a stool. The clips sound really bass heavy. Not at all like it sounds in the room. The Cartridge is on its way out that might be a reason. Some records even sound rather harsh, quite the opposite of muted. Maybe I'll post some clips after the new Cartridge is installed. Many thanks for the feedbacks anyway.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-03-30 04:08
by lejonklou
I’m going to go against the grain here and say that although the A’s are a bit messy and the B’s more in control, there’s something about the A clips that I like.
Initially I preferred 1B to 1A, but on the second track I started getting that feeling that A had something that B was missing. And I felt the same on track 3.
I think I’ll stay on the fence and say they’re doing different things right.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-03-30 17:55
by kallesprätt
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-03-30 18:02
by Charlie1
That’s a nice upgrade. Have fun!
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-03-30 21:19
by ThomasOK
Very nice upgrade! Yeah, the Källa is still surprising in how close it comes to an LP12. You might want to try taking the dust cover off when playing the LP12. I find it more musical that way.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-04-29 14:28
by Hermann
For some time now I have been dedicating myself to my Keilidh and the Tukans. Unfortunately, I neglected to record music with the Keilidh's original crossovers.
Actually the second pair of Tukan (from my daughter) that have received Dayton Audio capacitors.
Spotify via Linn Majik DS → Boazu 1.4 → Tukan
Here are before and after examples:
Herbie Mann
A1 -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XrD9bm ... sp=sharing
B1 -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wyj2vn ... sp=sharing
Take Five
A2 -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TWxCGV ... sp=sharing
B2 -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P5mo5A ... sp=sharing
Bonus Henri Texier - Annobon
A3 -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yHZ1IJ ... sp=sharing
B3 -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KcImgG ... sp=sharing
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-04-29 22:01
by Whatsmynaim
Yay! The playground is back in action.
Herbie Mann: B is cleaner sounding with little to no drop in musicality.
Take Five: Here I feel B has lost something. It could be that the recording is done differently. I don't know.
Bonus Henri Texier - Annobon: Nice track but what I said about Take Five goes here to.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-04-29 23:30
by Spannko
I struggle (musically) with A tbh, and very much prefer the B clips.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-04-30 06:56
by matthias
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-04-30 07:06
by springwood64
B for me on all 3
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-04-30 07:51
by Hermann
Thank you guys,
B is the Tukan with the new Dayton Audio capacitors. At this point, the loudspeakers had been used for around 50 hours and should be worn in.
When the Keilidh crossover was rebuilt, my wife described the second system as the little sister of the big one. It actually is and reason enough to purchase the Boazu (V1.4).
The name could not be maintained with the unconverted Tukan, but afterwards. The musical leap is not that big with the Tukan compared to the Keilidh, but big enough to recommend it for owners of both types of speakers. However, some impressions are hardly possible to capture using a recorder. For example, the way the music separates from the speaker or how individual notes are created is much better with the recapped Tukan.
In the next step, my Tukan will be equipped again with other types of capacitors, afterwards the crossover will be removed to understand their influences within the housing. I may prefer this step since the internal wiring will also be replaced. For this purpose, Charlie1 sent me a few meters of wire. Thank you again. So there's a lot to do.
By the way, the capacitors from Dayton Audio are quite cheap, just 25 euros per speaker set. A bargain if you can convert it by yourself.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-04-30 08:26
by Spannko
Hermann wrote: ↑2024-04-30 07:51
Thank you guys,
B is the Tukan with the new Dayton Audio capacitors. At this point, the loudspeakers had been used for around 50 hours and should be worn in.
When the Keilidh crossover was rebuilt, my wife described the second system as the little sister of the big one. It actually is and reason enough to purchase the Boazu (V1.4).
The name could not be maintained with the unconverted Tukan, but afterwards. The musical leap is not that big with the Tukan compared to the Keilidh, but big enough to recommend it for owners of both types of speakers. However, some impressions are hardly possible to capture using a recorder. For example, the way the music separates from the speaker or how individual notes are created is much better with the recapped Tukan.
In the next step, my Tukan will be equipped again with other types of capacitors, afterwards the crossover will be removed to understand their influences within the housing. I may prefer this step since the internal wiring will also be replaced. For this purpose, Charlie1 sent me a few meters of wire. Thank you again. So there's a lot to do.
By the way, the capacitors from Dayton Audio are quite cheap, just 25 euros per speaker set. A bargain if you can convert it by yourself.
Great result Hermann! Thank you for sharing your findings 👍
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-04-30 10:13
by lejonklou
B clips sound much nicer, but also have a problem in the bass. Although it’s hard to tell from the clips, it sounds to me like the lowest bass has the sharpness control turned up too high.
I’m not sure which one I prefer.
So B is Tukan with capacitors replaced.
And A is the original Tukan?
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-04-30 10:39
by Hermann
Thanks Fredrik. That's right, B is the recapped Tukan.
The sharpness cannot be heard in the recording room. However, it is not very optimized for audio playback, as it has four bare walls and is also quite large. Perhaps the warm-up time until recording was too short. I transferred the same chassis torque values to the second pair of Tukans as mine. There may still be some play room.
On the other hand, my daughter will be happy because she really likes my Tukan and immediately heard improvements.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-04-30 19:57
by Charlie1
Thanks for sharing Hermann!
I don’t often read ahead but couldn’t listen to the clips at the time and was keen to know what folks thought.
I listened to clips 1 and 3 only.
I preferred B especially clip 3. I felt 1A using the original caps had more flow and sense of ease, probably cos it was so well run in, but I still preferred 1B and 3B overall. I suspect the new caps will improve more over time.
It seems I need to get my Keilidhs done too, but will wait until you’ve compared some more caps.
Thanks again.
Ps wasn’t me that sent you cables
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-05-01 09:00
by beck
Musically I like the A clips more…………
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-05-01 13:43
by Hermann
Jo Charlie1, perfect mistake on my part, it was Spannko, sorry. So my thanks go to him.
Thanks Beck
I now actually assume that the capacitors probably have a longer break-in period. Now the ones from the examples are back with my daughter. So it will continue to be monitored.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-05-01 18:16
by tpetsch
Definitely A3 over B3, much more haunting & engaging, with B3 sounding a bit forced by comparison.
Re: Playground for practical listening exercises
Posted: 2024-05-01 22:58
by ThomasOK
I tried these clips yesterday and was having a hard time deciding which I preferred. I was finding them similar in tune but I was quite tired at the time and finally gave up and left the files up so I could come back to them today.
Today I still find the pieces somewhat close with the B clips seeming a little bit "clearer" for lack of a better term, but possibly overly so. The A clips are the ones I enjoy listening to more and the instruments just sound a bit more natural and together to me on them.