Fredrik,lejonklou wrote: The DAC is like the cartridge of a turntable. What's driving it is far more important.
I agree completely, but why then does any other DAC besides the ESI ruin the performance?
Matt
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Fredrik,lejonklou wrote: The DAC is like the cartridge of a turntable. What's driving it is far more important.
The isochronous transfer mode. Plus some other things it's doing in simple but goods ways.matthias wrote:Fredrik,lejonklou wrote: The DAC is like the cartridge of a turntable. What's driving it is far more important.
I agree completely, but why then does any other DAC besides the ESI ruin the performance?
Matt
Sopper, the Linn app works well as does HiFi Cast.Volumio and ESI gigaport HD+ still refuse to run stable, no matter what I try.
It can play an album, but I have to leave it that way; still troublesome with switching song or adding songs, etc.
It really is the ESI dac causing problems; my RME ADI-2 dac runs flawlessly
Yes I know.FairPlayMotty wrote:Sopper, the Linn app works well as does HiFi Cast.Volumio and ESI gigaport HD+ still refuse to run stable, no matter what I try.
It can play an album, but I have to leave it that way; still troublesome with switching song or adding songs, etc.
It really is the ESI dac causing problems; my RME ADI-2 dac runs flawlessly
That’s hard to determine; I can’t A-B them (Volumio can’t handle 2 USB DACs plugged and switching between the two, Alsa errors, reboots, etc.)Lego wrote:Which one is musically better Sopper and can you just not use Linns app instead?Sopper wrote:Volumio and ESI gigaport HD+ still refuse to run stable, no matter what I try.
It can play an album, but I have to leave it that way; still troublesome with switching song or adding songs, etc.
It really is the ESI dac causing problems; my RME ADI-2 dac runs flawlessly
Fredrik,lejonklou wrote:The isochronous transfer mode. Plus some other things it's doing in simple but goods ways.matthias wrote:Fredrik,lejonklou wrote: The DAC is like the cartridge of a turntable. What's driving it is far more important.
I agree completely, but why then does any other DAC besides the ESI ruin the performance?
Matt
It can be done even better, but it requires a lot of work. I think there's some coincidence involved that made ESI hit the sweet spot with Gigaport.
Sopper,Sopper wrote:Yes I know.FairPlayMotty wrote:Sopper, the Linn app works well as does HiFi Cast.Volumio and ESI gigaport HD+ still refuse to run stable, no matter what I try.
It can play an album, but I have to leave it that way; still troublesome with switching song or adding songs, etc.
It really is the ESI dac causing problems; my RME ADI-2 dac runs flawlessly
Things seems to go wrong when trying to switch or switching from music on NAS to Tidal or Qobuz or combined or use Kazoo + web ui or Volumio app.
That’s hard to determine; I can’t A-B them (Volumio can’t handle 2 USB DACs plugged and switching between the two, Alsa errors, reboots, etc.)Lego wrote:Which one is musically better Sopper and can you just not use Linns app instead?Sopper wrote:Volumio and ESI gigaport HD+ still refuse to run stable, no matter what I try.
It can play an album, but I have to leave it that way; still troublesome with switching song or adding songs, etc.
It really is the ESI dac causing problems; my RME ADI-2 dac runs flawlessly
From memory the RME is very good and with very useful features.
Combined with HAKAI and Volumio it’s at least on par with my Klimax dsm/1.
The ESI Gigaport HD+ is in some music parts more musical, but that is not reliable from memory.
The RME is also a joy to listen too..
So, unless I can A-B with reasonable time gap between A and B, I can’t really judge.
If you can't tell the difference then there can't be much of difference ,after you plugged in esi did you feel like going back to rme ?Sopper wrote:Yes I know.FairPlayMotty wrote:Sopper, the Linn app works well as does HiFi Cast.Volumio and ESI gigaport HD+ still refuse to run stable, no matter what I try.
It can play an album, but I have to leave it that way; still troublesome with switching song or adding songs, etc.
It really is the ESI dac causing problems; my RME ADI-2 dac runs flawlessly
Things seems to go wrong when trying to switch or switching from music on NAS to Tidal or Qobuz or combined or use Kazoo + web ui or Volumio app.
That’s hard to determine; I can’t A-B them (Volumio can’t handle 2 USB DACs plugged and switching between the two, Alsa errors, reboots, etc.)Lego wrote:Which one is musically better Sopper and can you just not use Linns app instead?Sopper wrote:Volumio and ESI gigaport HD+ still refuse to run stable, no matter what I try.
It can play an album, but I have to leave it that way; still troublesome with switching song or adding songs, etc.
It really is the ESI dac causing problems; my RME ADI-2 dac runs flawlessly
From memory the RME is very good and with very useful features.
Combined with HAKAI and Volumio it’s at least on par with my Klimax dsm/1.
The ESI Gigaport HD+ is in some music parts more musical, but that is not reliable from memory.
The RME is also a joy to listen too..
So, unless I can A-B with reasonable time gap between A and B, I can’t really judge.
I do want to use the full capacity of this DAC but I am not linux competent enough to do it myself so what I did is:
I do believe that unless the Hakai community gets into it, the DJ community (primary audience for Gigaport HD+) won't.Please, develop a linux driver for Gigaport HD+
We are a community of audio audiophiles that fnd the quality of this DAC exceptional but are limited and dispointed by the lack of such driver.
A detailed explanation is available here:
https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203381
Nicolas Boisvert
NinthWave,NinthWave wrote: ↑2019-06-21 17:04 I have reached a deadend on the ALSA part of having the ESI Gigaport HD+ to be set at 2-channels only and be able to play 24/96 files.
For those, if any, who are not aware of that, there is a Windows driver which allows to select 2-ch and set the Gigaport HD+ to handle 24/96 files but there is no such driver in Linux. I was told, only ESI-Audio can handle that.
I do believe that unless the Hakai community gets into it, the DJ community (primary audience for Gigaport HD+) won't
I have no evidence about that but since I am buying FLAC music at 7digital, which music is available in 24/96, I would at least appreciate having the opportunity of doing same as you; trial any difference and draw my own conclusions.Ron The Mon wrote: ↑2019-06-23 03:02NinthWave,NinthWave wrote: ↑2019-06-21 17:04 I have reached a deadend on the ALSA part of having the ESI Gigaport HD+ to be set at 2-channels only and be able to play 24/96 files.
For those, if any, who are not aware of that, there is a Windows driver which allows to select 2-ch and set the Gigaport HD+ to handle 24/96 files but there is no such driver in Linux. I was told, only ESI-Audio can handle that.
I do believe that unless the Hakai community gets into it, the DJ community (primary audience for Gigaport HD+) won't
Question One:
What evidence have you that a HAKAI would sound better broadcasting in a higher resolution? My use of the GIGAPORT HD+ shows its' playback from input in 16/44 in XP and Windows7 compared to 24/96 to be be quite small. VERY, very, very small.
You said it: it is possible it doesn't sound any better.Ron The Mon wrote: ↑2019-06-23 03:02 I am not trying to discourage you but it is possible it doesn't sound any better in "Hi-Res".
Sorry, but I feel what you are implying is that folks like me, essentially consist of all those here, except you.Ron The Mon wrote: ↑2019-06-23 03:02It is best to ignore folks like you and improve music for everyone.
Maybe I did not express myself properly because this was not what I intended to imply.Ron The Mon wrote: ↑2019-06-23 03:02Question Two:
What makes you think the "DJ community" is more influential than the "Hi-fi community?
I find this statement odd and even a bit rude. Perhaps you could have phrased it differently? I don't even understand what you're trying to say.Ron The Mon wrote: ↑2019-06-23 03:02 It is best to ignore folks like you and improve music for everyone.
Fredrik,lejonklou wrote: ↑2019-06-23 22:42I find this statement odd and even a bit rude. Perhaps you could have phrased it differently? I don't even understand what you're trying to say.Ron The Mon wrote: ↑2019-06-23 03:02 It is best to ignore folks like you and improve music for everyone.
How can there be any harm in asking for a relatively minor piece of development?Everything I wrote in my last post was in the context of what was written prior in this thread. Specifically, NinthWave (and thread-starter FairPlayMotty) is asking a well established company to help him.
Could you please provide a single piece of evidence that's true? It shouldn't be hard for the self-declared B-S Detector.Most Apple headphone outputs sound better than any DAC in stereo
Thanks mr Skeptik, I now understand.Ron The Mon wrote: ↑2019-06-26 21:35Fredrik,
How's this?:
"It is best [for ESI as a sustainable company] to ignore [rare, Linux using] folks like you [, NinthWave,] and improve music [and functions] for everyone [, meaning the majority of its' customer base]."
You're right to have enthusiasm and positivity. There's not enough of it around. I joined this Hakai forum with a degree of scepticism. I now have a Hakai server/player and a Hakai dedicated player delivering the best front end audio I have ever experienced, at very low cost. I'm forever indebted to Fredrik for his generosity in sharing the design. My extremely costly turntable/phono pre-amplifier and cartridge have possibly been used three times since the Hakai utterly revitalised my enthusiasm for HiFi and digital music. My entire system (except the turntable etc,) now sounds way better than it did before.I do agree with Ron the Mon on the low business interest of ESI-Audio to shell money on this but, given that some enhusiasts at ALSA-Project would do it free, I don't see why I should "curb my enthusiasm" and not even try to have something put in motion ???
Thank you! It made me very happy to read this, FairPlayMotty.FairPlayMotty wrote: ↑2019-06-27 22:47You're right to have enthusiasm and positivity. There's not enough of it around. I joined this Hakai forum with a degree of scepticism. I now have a Hakai server/player and a Hakai dedicated player delivering the best front end audio I have ever experienced, at very low cost. I'm forever indebted to Fredrik for his generosity in sharing the design. My extremely costly turntable/phono pre-amplifier and cartridge have possibly been used three times since the Hakai utterly revitalised my enthusiasm for HiFi and digital music. My entire system (except the turntable etc,) now sounds way better than it did before.I do agree with Ron the Mon on the low business interest of ESI-Audio to shell money on this but, given that some enhusiasts at ALSA-Project would do it free, I don't see why I should "curb my enthusiasm" and not even try to have something put in motion ???